Abortion

#55
#55
bamawriter said:
Not to be a jerk, because I'm sure it's a tough thing to deal with, but you do know that sex can lead to pregnancy, right? You can be as safe about it as possible, but I'm sure you're aware that nothing is 100% effective.

I'm not trying to pick on you, but it drives me crazy when people say "I'm not ready to raise a child". If you aren't ready to be a parent, you aren't ready to have sex. The former doesn't happen without the latter.

I'm absolutely convinced that we need to require licences for sex in this country.
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Don't put this guy in charge of anything
 
#58
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volinreallife said:
I think so. Of course there is probably other reasons. If the child is showing no brain functions, I could see using abortion.
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of course there are many other reasons but people that convince themselves that it's wrong except for criminal circumstances just don't want to hear it. Instead they want to make rules that exclude these reasons without having a clue what they're doing.
 
#59
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bamawriter said:
Absolutely, because I believe that people should bear the responsibility of their own decisions. I simply don't believe that anyone has the right to consequence-free sex.
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baited. So you're small govt - except when sex is involved?
 
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bamawriter said:
Absolutely, because I believe that people should bear the responsibility of their own decisions. I simply don't believe that anyone has the right to consequence-free sex.
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and are the children forced to bear the same responsibility as their parents?
 
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utvolpj said:
of course there are many other reasons but people that convince themselves that it's wrong except for criminal circumstances just don't want to hear it. Instead they want to make rules that exclude these reasons without having a clue what they're doing.
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I agree, but there is some really stupid people in the world that do not learn a lesson, that need to handle the responsibilities that their actions have given them.
 
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Eh, another abortion thread. You can cut through all the emotional and hypothetical BS. In the grand scheme of things none of it matters. You can break down every person's perspective on abortion down to how they answer one simple yet mystifying question: when does life begin? All abortion arguments are fundamentally based upon your answer to this question. Furthermore, I have yet to meet anyone who has successfully swayed another person's answer to this question. It always ends up being a waste of time, energy, and effort. It is wise just to accept the humble reality we must agree to disagree.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
baited. So you're small govt - except when sex is involved?
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Not at all. You are free to have sex with whomever you want to, assuming that they are capable of legal consent. But that freedom doesn't come along with a freedom from consequences.

You're also free to drive a car. That doesn't mean that you'll never be in an accident.
 
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therealUT said:
I am okay with abortion by anyone, anytime. Feel free to answer the question, though.
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So he has to answer the question that you pose with your stupid less than one percent scenerio instead of his 99% of the time scenerio.

Abortion is murder.

When is life truly life? I don't know. But it become life pretty quickly in my book once the egg is fertilized.

Your analogy also shows how you like to slant debates into the insane realm. You used it because the real 99% of why abortions happens makes it look mucuh, much more self centered ... and you know it.
 
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utvolpj said:
and are the children forced to bear the same responsibility as their parents?
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I'm not avoiding your question, but I'm not sure what you're asking, and I want to avoid giving a long answer to a question you didnt' ask.
 
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DrunkJohnny said:
What if the child is severely mentally retarded? When do you find this out?
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depends on the test but usually between 10-16wks. Of course there are some things that show up in some tests and not others and all have risks

volinreallife said:
I agree, but there is some really stupid people in the world that do not learn a lesson, that need to handle the responsibilities that their actions have given them.
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it's not about irresponsible actions. Even people trying to conceive face these issues
 
#69
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bamawriter said:
Not at all. You are free to have sex with whomever you want to, assuming that they are capable of legal consent. But that freedom doesn't come along with a freedom from consequences.

You're also free to drive a car. That doesn't mean that you'll never be in an accident.
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so, in short - you don't like people having pre-marital sex, correct? Would you like the govt, like you mentioned before, to step in and require licenses for sex?
 
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bamawriter said:
I'm not avoiding your question, but I'm not sure what you're asking, and I want to avoid giving a long answer to a question you didnt' ask.
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when you say the parents must bear the responsibility are you against helping the children? If not, how do you balance that view with one of small gov't?
 
#72
#72
You start killing over IQ and your no better than Germany under Hitler.
 
#73
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bamawriter said:
Not at all. You are free to have sex with whomever you want to, assuming that they are capable of legal consent. But that freedom doesn't come along with a freedom from consequences.

You're also free to drive a car. That doesn't mean that you'll never be in an accident.
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You can pay to make the consequences of the car accident go away.
 
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NEOCON said:
So he has to answer the question that you pose with your stupid less than one percent scenerio instead of his 99% of the time scenerio.

Abortion is murder.

When is life truly life? I don't know. But it become life pretty quickly in my book once the egg is fertilized.

Your analogy also shows how you like to slant debates into the insane realm. You used it because the real 99% of why abortions happens makes it look mucuh, much more self centered ... and you know it.
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so abortion is murder but you don't know when life begins? Color me surprised...
 
#75
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KiffinKiller said:
so, in short - you don't like people having pre-marital sex, correct? Would you like the govt, like you mentioned before, to step in and require licenses for sex?
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He did say he was convinced that was necessary. Hopefully hyperbolic.
 
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