about as frustrated as I have ever been

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If a move has to be made and you miss on a few big names Byrd is a great fall back. As others have said his age is a concern, but bring him in for 4-5 years and look for a big name up and comer to replace him.
 
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vader said:
I am frustrated too, but I was in school during the Wade Houston years so my "frustrated as I have ever been" bar has been set pretty high
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This. Season ticket holder during those years. Me and about 14 of my closest Vol friends that last season. Could hear a fart from the other side of the arena.
 
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bornbleddinorange said:
I know this has probably been discussed and maybe a lot of people don't like the idea of the hiring idk. That being said, is Rick Byrd of Belmont ever been a serious candidate? He does more with less and could recruit on a higher level at UT.
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He's been a candidate, but I'm not so sure he was a serious candidate in the past. My fear with Byrd is recruiting. He is in a league where he can get by with less talent. But if he got into a major conference where the talent level of your competition is a notch higher, I don't know how he would fare on a night-in-night-out basis.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Martin's biggest mistake has been his assistants. He needed to bring in experienced guys, he's got a staff full of inexperienced assistants who don't have a clue. They're all learning the ropes together and Tennessee isn't the place to do that at.

If Martin makes it through this year be needs to make a couple moves on his staff IMO.
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So its the assistants that is the problem and not Martin ? you are really going to pull that card ? The assistants don't have a clue and Martin does ?
 
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tnvols72 said:
So its the assistants that is the problem and not Martin ? you are really going to pull that card ? The assistants don't have a clue and Martin does ?
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If that's what you took from that then there's no point in me explaining what It means because you just won't get it.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Martin's biggest mistake has been his assistants. He needed to bring in experienced guys, he's got a staff full of inexperienced assistants who don't have a clue. They're all learning the ropes together and Tennessee isn't the place to do that at.

If Martin makes it through this year be needs to make a couple moves on his staff IMO.
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LMFAO, hilarious :eek:lol:
 
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vader said:
I am frustrated too, but I was in school during the Wade Houston years so my "frustrated as I have ever been" bar has been set pretty high
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I think coming off the Pearl years plays a part. We were always in the tourney, and games were fun to watch. Now, not so much.
 
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I will try to clarify what I meant as it's apparent some need the detailed version.

Martin is the head coach, he does the scheduling and is the lead recruiter....this is incredibly uncommon. Pearl had TJ doing the scheduling and he was one of the best in the business at it. Pearl also put a lot of the recruiting responsibilities on his assistants and he would target a couple guys, or be more of the closer.

One of Pearl's greatest moves as coach and both he and his son will tell you this, was the hire of Steve Forbes. Pearl was good with the press, but after those initial couple years he needed to teach half court defense which was Forbes specialty.

Martin has little experience on his staff, and no veteran presence he can turn to like say a Forbes that could definitely teach him a thing or two. Now who's fault is this, obviously Martin as he is in charge of assembling his staff. Assistant coaches are as important as the head coach and IMO we have some very inexperienced assistant coaches to go along with an inexperienced coach, not a good mix. Martin should've hired some guys who had experience in the SEC, possibly Tennessee, and recruiting ties in the southeast...that was one of his biggest mistakes was bringing all his guys IMO.

Steven Pearl, Tony Jones and Dan Dakich talked about it today...with around 1:30 left in the game Tennessee let NC STATE go 18 seconds into the possession without realizing they weren't in the bonus and had could they had to give. Not one assistant on the bench was aware of this or spoke up on the foul situation, whether or not to foul, or who should give the foul. Steven was amazed as he said after every timeout their assistants always gave them a rundown of timeouts, fouls etc. Dakich credited it to all those guys being former players, and some of them not very old and that they can get more into a players mindset than coaches mindset at that point in the game.

Assistant coaches are very important, and I feel Martin has really hurt his chances of success by who he has placed on his staff.
 
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I think we might put some blame on the players, like JS I guess he is trying but he looks like he is stuck in second gear and the clutch is about to go out, one time I would like to see him get pissed and play his alls off.
 
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bTo,

The problem I have is you are just now acknowledging what we have been saying since last year. You continually deride and act like you know more than the rest of us but in reality you are just a CCM fluffer.
 
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Special Ed said:
The only knock I have on Rick Byrd is his age. How many productive years does he have left in him before retirement? Having said that, I still don't see how he was passed over in favor of Bonzo.
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Byrd's only 7 years older than your proclaimed savior.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I will try to clarify what I meant as it's apparent some need the detailed version.

Martin is the head coach, he does the scheduling and is the lead recruiter....this is incredibly uncommon. Pearl had TJ doing the scheduling and he was one of the best in the business at it. Pearl also put a lot of the recruiting responsibilities on his assistants and he would target a couple guys, or be more of the closer.

One of Pearl's greatest moves as coach and both he and his son will tell you this, was the hire of Steve Forbes. Pearl was good with the press, but after those initial couple years he needed to teach half court defense which was Forbes specialty.

Martin has little experience on his staff, and no veteran presence he can turn to like say a Forbes that could definitely teach him a thing or two. Now who's fault is this, obviously Martin as he is in charge of assembling his staff. Assistant coaches are as important as the head coach and IMO we have some very inexperienced assistant coaches to go along with an inexperienced coach, not a good mix. Martin should've hired some guys who had experience in the SEC, possibly Tennessee, and recruiting ties in the southeast...that was one of his biggest mistakes was bringing all his guys IMO.

Steven Pearl, Tony Jones and Dan Dakich talked about it today...with around 1:30 left in the game Tennessee let NC STATE go 18 seconds into the possession without realizing they weren't in the bonus and had could they had to give. Not one assistant on the bench was aware of this or spoke up on the foul situation, whether or not to foul, or who should give the foul. Steven was amazed as he said after every timeout their assistants always gave them a rundown of timeouts, fouls etc. Dakich credited it to all those guys being former players, and some of them not very old and that they can get more into a players mindset than coaches mindset at that point in the game.

Assistant coaches are very important, and I feel Martin has really hurt his chances of success by who he has placed on his staff.
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This is spot on. Thanks for the post
 
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OrangeAllDay said:
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#47
There is talent on this team, but CCM doesn't have a clue about how to use it! Pearl will come back too! If you think he won't you,re crazy!
 
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GiveHimSixGoVols said:
bTo,

The problem I have is you are just now acknowledging what we have been saying since last year. You continually deride and act like you know more than the rest of us but in reality you are just a CCM fluffer.
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What am I just now acknowledging? That if Martin doesn't get it done this year that he should be gone?
 
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#49
Kids just can't shoot anymore. I was talking to a successful HS coach the other day day and he said all kids work on today is dunks and crazy drives to the basketball. He laughed when I mentioned free throws. Back in the 70's he used to o
post up a 6'7" guy and he would shoot a turn around 10-15 footer. I asked him why he doesn't do that anymore and he says kids can't hit that shot anymore. Looks the same with college kids to me. King , Johnson, Ellis and And God Bless him Dyron Nix sure where good at it.
 
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that's why you can back off most kids when they get inside the line. guard the 3 and prevent the layup on a drive. Build a d plan forcing them to pull up from 10-15 feet all game and you'll win. And forget about using the square. I grew up watching Doom Haynes use the square and I believe that dude probably used it in 2 games more than I have seen a kid use it on a jumper in years combined. Floaters are the in thing. And many of them hit off the front or back rim.
 
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