About to hit the fan at UNC...basketball and football academic fraud.

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Guarantee part of this was because of what happened with the. NCAA did not want to look worse.
 
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What I learned from the UNC case is if you allow regular students to go to fake class along with your athletes, then it's ok. Tennessee should start fake classes immediately and enroll every dotard (thanks to North Korea for that word) that can play football along with a few non-athletes.
 
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Boston Vol said:
Every school in America needs to create fake classes for athletes and funnel a few regular students into them to give them cover.
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TrueOrange said:
I don't think that was really the main problem in the end though (and I'm not trying to defend UNC by any means).

From what it sounds like, the NCAA's claim made was that UNC, through these (to quote) "sham" courses had offered the their athletes "impermissible benefits" over the average student. It looks like what turned up, though, was that the Department of African and Afro-American studies there was allowing this with all the students that took these courses, not just the athletes...so they would have to make the argument for pushing sanctioning due to "special benefits" when every single student also taking the same joke courses were also getting the same (of how these joke courses were graded and such).


(Also, the academic half of the university should be ashamed, because it's sounding like this department - one which likely receives money coming to the school from the state and DOE - is a joke of a department.)
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It will be interesting to see what their accreditation boards will do with the school. Its been said from the beginning the NCAA doesn't have jurisdiction but those approving UNC as a university might.
 
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Credit where credit is due: UNC was smart enough to open the fake classes up to all students. They know how to play that game.

This situation is exactly why I have a problem with the NCAA and the "amateurism" model of college athletics. If this story doesn't wake everyone up to the "student-athlete" lie then there is no hope. UNC quite obviously created these classes in order to keep athletes eligible. They opened them up to all students for no other reason than to exploit a loophole. And what's so disappointing about this scenario (which surely happens elsewhere) is that UNC is one of the best public schools in the country. It might be the second-best, right behind UVA. That this school would be so willing to sacrifice its academic prestige to keep athletes eligible is pathetic.

But let's be honest with ourselves: how many of these athletes would even qualify for admission to UNC, let alone a full-ride, if they weren't good at sports? The majority of these athletes are "getting an education" for which they are painfully unqualified. They are learning little to nothing, and what they are learning will be of little to no use to them once their athletic usefulness is tapped out.

This is the model that every school in the country has settled upon. This is what the leaders of our colleges and universities have allowed themselves to accept and perpetuate. It's exploitative, and it is immoral.
 
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LittleCat said:
Nah even UK would be hammered. NCAA hates Cal but good ole Roy and crew are good.
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I actually agree with you that they hate Cal. They do not, by any stretch of the imagination, hate Kentucky though.

They are in a tough spot because as long as Cal is at Kentucky, nailing him means nailing a blue blood program.
 
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At this point,if Tennessee doesn't start a fake college open to all, I will know they are not committed to winning a Championship in something other than life.
 
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It's all good if it has Afro in the title...

"On Friday, the NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions said it could not conclude there were any NCAA violations by North Carolina in a nearly four-year case involving alleged sham courses in the school's Department of African and Afro-American Studies"
 
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TrueOrange said:
From espn
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That's the most ridiculous justification Ive ever heard.

So basically ANY content can be regarded as beneficial to the student-athlete, so long as it comes from an accredited class?...even if it's been proven the class was fraudulent? is this what they're saying? that's completely mad.

sounds like the NCAA has had their hands tied the entire time. 7 year investigation my butthole!
 
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UTFanForLife said:
Why did it take over 5 years to rule on this? They hand it over to the Knoxville court system or something?
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5 years and I would argue that there is no ruling. The 'AA abdicated all responsibility, saying that it was an academic matter.

Bull$hit.
 
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bamawriter said:
Credit where credit is due: UNC was smart enough to open the fake classes up to all students. They know how to play that game.

This situation is exactly why I have a problem with the NCAA and the "amateurism" model of college athletics. If this story doesn't wake everyone up to the "student-athlete" lie then there is no hope. UNC quite obviously created these classes in order to keep athletes eligible. They opened them up to all students for no other reason than to exploit a loophole. And what's so disappointing about this scenario (which surely happens elsewhere) is that UNC is one of the best public schools in the country. It might be the second-best, right behind UVA. That this school would be so willing to sacrifice its academic prestige to keep athletes eligible is pathetic.

But let's be honest with ourselves: how many of these athletes would even qualify for admission to UNC, let alone a full-ride, if they weren't good at sports? The majority of these athletes are "getting an education" for which they are painfully unqualified. They are learning little to nothing, and what they are learning will be of little to no use to them once their athletic usefulness is tapped out.

This is the model that every school in the country has settled upon. This is what the leaders of our colleges and universities have allowed themselves to accept and perpetuate. It's exploitative, and it is immoral.
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And it's all because Cletus and Leroy, neither of whom have ever set foot on the UNC campus, continue to show up for games and buy merchandise.

I agree it's exploitative, immoral, and honestly a sobering indictment of our values as a society.

But anyway, I'm done with my soapbox if anyone else needs it.
 
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bamawriter said:
Credit where credit is due: UNC was smart enough to open the fake classes up to all students. They know how to play that game.

This situation is exactly why I have a problem with the NCAA and the "amateurism" model of college athletics. If this story doesn't wake everyone up to the "student-athlete" lie then there is no hope. UNC quite obviously created these classes in order to keep athletes eligible. They opened them up to all students for no other reason than to exploit a loophole. And what's so disappointing about this scenario (which surely happens elsewhere) is that UNC is one of the best public schools in the country. It might be the second-best, right behind UVA. That this school would be so willing to sacrifice its academic prestige to keep athletes eligible is pathetic.

But let's be honest with ourselves: how many of these athletes would even qualify for admission to UNC, let alone a full-ride, if they weren't good at sports? The majority of these athletes are "getting an education" for which they are painfully unqualified. They are learning little to nothing, and what they are learning will be of little to no use to them once their athletic usefulness is tapped out.

This is the model that every school in the country has settled upon. This is what the leaders of our colleges and universities have allowed themselves to accept and perpetuate. It's exploitative, and it is immoral.
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so when are you turning in your fan card?
 
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bamawriter said:
Fortunately, as many here love to point out as often as they can, Alabama pays their players, and pays them well. My conscience is clean.
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what would Bama be without all those teams they whoop up on that don't pay their players (as much)?
I guess you are saying that Bama does pay their players enough where they aren't exploiting them?

there is no moral/ethical ambiguity as this is a contract. don't like the system, don't play. simple as that. these kids are literally devoting their lives to this goal, seems like they believe they are getting something out of it. If I believed my work was screwing me as badly as they players say I wouldn't show up to work.
 
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