Absolutely embarrassing performance

[alexvol]

If they can't execute during games, that is on the coaching.

If they can't play with composure, that is on the coaching.

If they let their play on offense dictate their play on defense, that is on coaching.

If they constantly forget to box out for rebounds, that is on coaching.

If they constantly let their player blow by them for easy baskets, that's on coaching.

These are all things a coach is supposed to do. Help a team prepare for games and put them in position to win. When they make the same mistakes repeatedly throughout a game, across games, and season after season...that's also on coaching.

If that's not on coaching, what do you purport the role of the coach is supposed to be?

Truer words were never spoken !!!!!!

 

[56vol]

I just know him from his comments on this board but I would bet the bottom dollar he could coach circles around
Holly. Now go play mike born in 99.

 

[alexvol]

Of course Geno or Kim would do a lot better with our players than the current staff......

It always amazes me when people put the blame on the players..... I learned in business or sports the ultimate blame goes straight to top management, or coaching, for they have the power to change things and control things..... even things the players do which may not seem is onus of coaching staff, like shot selection, foul shooting, turnovers, missing bunnies, etc.... it all is the responsibility of the coaching staff..... if players are not up to snuff, work work work in practice.... i have never been to a Vols practice but i would bet that HCW is settling for far less than Pat ever settled for..... If Diamond has too many turnovers, sit her down!!!! Does not matter if she is dynamic player or not.... what is the price to be paid for errors in judgment, lack of effort, sloppy play, too many turnovers....??? There is no price to be paid.... Players will always consider this program like a summer camp until coaches demand more from the players..... I was looking again tonight at the highlights from Ole Miss game... I have never seen so much standing around..... Tonight watching Freutag (sp?) drive past Russell and others to the hoop was shameful defense.... at least 2 times we are stuck with the ball in our hands as the 30 second clock expires.... these are not good indicators of a well run basketball team.... I hope it changes... don't think it will but i always hope

Right on target here ^^^^^ Except the comment on Diamond all she needs is a fire built under her tail and no coach on this team is willing to do it.

 

[alexvol]

I would like to see Geno coach this LV team!

Me too because I believe he would take it to the ultimate destination

 

[jonson]

But those 3 players you mentioned, Gule, were in the top 5 of their class nationwide.... i am sure talent wise they would have made the UConn roster... I think in some cases the gals have a notion that they are better than they are, and do not have to show intensity and effort every night..... Mercedes was standing around a lot vs Ole Miss, and was not stellar defensively tonight.... Diamond with 9 turnovers.... wow.... that cost us a dozen points the other way..... Auburn shot over 50%..... we get the primo athletes but they need to be coached and starting at the fundamentals..... for instance, it helps if they can learn to dribble out of a trap instead of always trying to pass out of it.... and do not make mental errors like letting shot clock expire.... and if you have ball at end of quarter, do not jack it ump with 8 seconds left on clock... that sort of thing....

To me, the issue is not whether Russell, or DeShields, or Nared have the talent to make, say, the UCONN roster; they do. It's what would happen to them after they arrived. With Auriemma, not playing with intensity and effort during every minute on the floor would be the surest way not to get on the floor at all and, likely, end up at another school sooner rather than later. In Russell's case, that would mean, among other things, no longer strolling down the court; as for DeShields and Auriemma, well, I suspect that would be a clash for the ages given his standards and expectations (especially for a wbb player with as much raw talent as she has). Both Russell and DeShields would be much better basketball players as a result, but I wonder if either would be willing to be pushed that hard.

 

[LasVegasBill23]

Right on target here ^^^^^ Except the comment on Diamond all she needs is a fire built under her tail and no coach on this team is willing to do it.

Thank you Alex.... yes on DD, it just seems to me that there is a widespread acceptance to accept whatever DD wants to give us, and not push her beyond.... I have said that I never have seen her - in my seeing perhaps 2 dozen games the last 2 years - put out the incredible effort she did vs. ND.... it was amazing.... the effort in the defensive stops she made.... even the announcers were surprised....

But I have been wrong before... perhaps she is indeed being guided appropriately

 

[LasVegasBill23]

To me, the issue is not whether Russell, or DeShields, or Nared have the talent to make, say, the UCONN roster; they do. It's what would happen to them after they arrived. With Auriemma, not playing with intensity and effort during every minute on the floor would be the surest way not to get on the floor at all and, likely, end up at another school sooner rather than later. In Russell's case, that would mean, among other things, no longer strolling down the court; as for DeShields and Auriemma, well, I suspect that would be a clash for the ages given his standards and expectations (especially for a wbb player with as much raw talent as she has). Both Russell and DeShields would be much better basketball players as a result, but I wonder if either would be willing to be pushed that hard.

Yes totally agree.... I question whether they want to be challenged... and using UConn as example... to watch them is wild... diving for loose balls when they are up by 40.... and it is not for show, it is the mentality of being the absolute best they can be, and playing vs themselves as the ultimate yardstick. Would love to see some of the same effort here....

 

[Smallvol#1]

I just know him from his comments on this board but I would bet the bottom dollar he could coach circles around
Holly. Now go play mike born in 99.

I've sat with him a few games (and gule one time). Pretty impressed. He sees things, comments, makes recommendations, etc. that turn out pretty spot on. He and TO (and gule) are interesting to sit with...it's just I've listened to TO for years now.

I don't know enough basketball to always know what the problem is or how to correct it, but I can recognize there is a problem, and frequently I can ID the problem. Knowing how to correct is what's above my pay grade. But when someone else talks, I can recognize the validity of their comments. Sort of seeing in hindsight.

So is CoachJ as great as he thinks he is? Don't know. (I doubt geeno is as great as he thinks he is, but he can coach:sick. But he knows his stuff. Interesting guy.

As to who he is etc., he's posted his info/background in previous threads. Can go back and read them if you think it's worth your while.

I'm just on here 'cause I ❤️ my Lady Vols and like to have a good time. And, no, I did not have a good time last night:cray:.

 

[Volfan2012]

Last nights game was lost because they hit us with a full court trapping press and we couldn't handle it. 22 turnovers later a huge loss.
Defense forgot to show up as well.

 

[Nute Gunray]

To me, the issue is not whether Russell, or DeShields, or Nared have the talent to make, say, the UCONN roster; they do. It's what would happen to them after they arrived. With Auriemma, not playing with intensity and effort during every minute on the floor would be the surest way not to get on the floor at all and, likely, end up at another school sooner rather than later. In Russell's case, that would mean, among other things, no longer strolling down the court; as for DeShields and Auriemma, well, I suspect that would be a clash for the ages given his standards and expectations (especially for a wbb player with as much raw talent as she has). Both Russell and DeShields would be much better basketball players as a result, but I wonder if either would be willing to be pushed that hard.

Great comment, jonson. I believe Russell could be pushed but not Diamond.

 

[PineyBluff Vol]

What does that even mean? It sounds good but what does it mean? I'm not one that thinks Holly is the greatest and in fact I didn't want her to get the job but Russell told us in the post game show what the problem was and it wasn't coaching. The problem is you don't have enough people on the bench that would let you make some players sit. Short bench is partially Holly's fault. The second, third and most of the fourth was on the players.

Once again, I am not trying to step on your toes. What I have always thought and will till my end is that the coaches are responsible for the players actions. Players are a direct reflection of the coach. As for the short bench, yes again, the coach is responsible. Holly has made the decision that she does not need a full bench and IMO that is a mistake, especially when you are one player away from disaster. These players decided to come to Tennessee because Holly wanted them. The fact that they have not measured up is " the responsibility of the coach".

 

[maxvolfan]

I think Russell is getting better and will soon be looked at for the WNBA if she continues to improve. I wouldn't blame her if she leaves early.

 

[UTvolinBGKY]

Looks like we got ourselves 2 very inconsistent basketball teams.

I think you mean sh6t teams.

 

[mike099]

I just know him from his comments on this board but I would bet the bottom dollar he could coach circles around
Holly. Now go play mike born in 99.

Just curious if he was a current or former coach. Actually I was born in 1957, Mike099 not a clue to my year of birth.

 

[LasVegasBill23]

Once again, I am not trying to step on your toes. What I have always thought and will till my end is that the coaches are responsible for the players actions. Players are a direct reflection of the coach. As for the short bench, yes again, the coach is responsible. Holly has made the decision that she does not need a full bench and IMO that is a mistake, especially when you are one player away from disaster. These players decided to come to Tennessee because Holly wanted them. The fact that they have not measured up is " the responsibility of the coach".

BINGO! Thank you PineyBluff

 

[Orange Maniac]

Once again, I am not trying to step on your toes. What I have always thought and will till my end is that the coaches are responsible for the players actions. Players are a direct reflection of the coach. As for the short bench, yes again, the coach is responsible. Holly has made the decision that she does not need a full bench and IMO that is a mistake, especially when you are one player away from disaster. These players decided to come to Tennessee because Holly wanted them. The fact that they have not measured up is " the responsibility of the coach".

I agree with all of that. I just honestly feel last night wasn't on the coaches as much as it was the players. The general trend downward is on the staff. This far into her head coaching career we should be trending up instead of down. Maybe the ship will right itself now that Elzy is gone. Time will tell.

 

[Hoya Saxa]

Great comment, jonson. I believe Russell could be pushed but not Diamond.

Spot on. Diamond would have bailed on UConn faster than she did on all of her friends at UNC. She never would have been successful there, which is why she chose to go elsewhere. She was quoted during the recruitment process as saying she wanted a coach that would give her the freedom to play the way she wanted. Coach Warlick lets her do her own thing with no repercussions.

 

[allenfan1]

They were coached. They can't make a pass on target to save their life. People that think they weren't coached on how to break the press are fooling themselves. This team has a bunch of mentally weak girls and they panic. The team just didn't bring it tonight. They were coached well enough to get a 17 point lead in no time flat. What happened. Did the staff quit coaching or did the team go brain dead and start doing stupid stuff. Timeouts were called to correct the problem and Lex turns it over first thing. I still say this wasn't on the coaches.

Say what you want, but the top teams sign from the same group of girls that we do. They develop them and we don't. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see she is like a deer in the headlights. It will be the same next year with the reason being they are young. Maybe they age faster and grow up more in Connecticut, as they are playing freshmen this year. Just Saying

 

[teacherdean]

We are now officially the laughing stock of the SEC!

I am done with this team and the horrible coaching staff. I just cannot stay on this roller coaster! I have loved the lady Vols for years and have followed them faithfully but it is over!

I do not even know what I saw tonight! No excuses for them anymore!!

I have supported the Dallas Cowboys forever though I have no respect for Jerry Jones, I will continue to support the Lady Vols, though the coaching is questionable. I really blame administration as well for this mess. The Lady Vols are to women's basketball as Kentucky is to men's basketball, I highly doubt that if Holly was a man coaching at Kentucky she would still have a job. No matter how many times we try to blame the players, the buck stops at Holly's desk. For five years we have heard the Holly excuse, "I don't know", it is way past time for her to know.

 

[xanamanax]

Spot on. Diamond would have bailed on UConn faster than she did on all of her friends at UNC. She never would have been successful there, which is why she chose to go elsewhere. She was quoted during the recruitment process as saying she wanted a coach that would give her the freedom to play the way she wanted. Coach Warlick lets her do her own thing with no repercussions.

So that's why Holly benched her last year, Diamond didn't want to start. Now we know.

 

[Ed Weeks]

Spot on. Diamond would have bailed on UConn faster than she did on all of her friends at UNC. She never would have been successful there, which is why she chose to go elsewhere. She was quoted during the recruitment process as saying she wanted a coach that would give her the freedom to play the way she wanted. Coach Warlick lets her do her own thing with no repercussions.

Well, it is apparent that there are "repercussions" for her own level pf play as well as that of the team. IAC, she is not a match for UCONN.

 

[LasVegasBill23]

Orange Maniac, if players are taught to break press but they cannot do it in games.... why can't holly keep practicing it ..... and keep at it and keep at it, until they do it correctly.....

holly said in presser that players wanted to dribble along sidelines.... if you are the coach, tell them not to do that!!!!

it is so frustrating.... 1 yr as acting coach and 5 as HC and we are going nowhere.... disappointing

 

[Orange Maniac]

Orange Maniac, if players are taught to break press but they cannot do it in games.... why can't holly keep practicing it ..... and keep at it and keep at it, until they do it correctly.....

holly said in presser that players wanted to dribble along sidelines.... if you are the coach, tell them not to do that!!!!

it is so frustrating.... 1 yr as acting coach and 5 as HC and we are going nowhere.... disappointing

She did tell them repeatedly. That's why she was about to pull her hair out. They would not do what they were being told to do. Why don't they respond to her? I don't know but something has got to give. Sit them and ask for walk ons to take their place or resign as coach. This can't continue on this path. This group of players have never lived up to the standards of Lady Vol basketball nor has the staff held up their end. It's just so frustrating to see the program slide into oblivion. These girls have played BB long enough that they should be able to beat Auburn and Ole Miss if there wasn't a coach on the bench.

 

[Amb3096]

These girls have played BB long enough that they should be able to beat Auburn and Ole Miss if there wasn't a coach on the bench.

The sad thing is, they probably would have.

 

[LasVegasBill23]

She did tell them repeatedly. That's why she was about to pull her hair out. They would not do what they were being told to do. Why don't they respond to her? I don't know but something has got to give. Sit them and ask for walk ons to take their place or resign as coach. This can't continue on this path. This group of players have never lived up to the standards of Lady Vol basketball nor has the staff held up their end. It's just so frustrating to see the program slide into oblivion. These girls have played BB long enough that they should be able to beat Auburn and Ole Miss if there wasn't a coach on the bench.

thank you OM again disappointing!!!