Academics!?

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I have question, I know the NCAA has requirements as well as the SEC, why is it that UT has more requirements on top of that? Heard that on TSR yestereday? Like the players even say, it is a business, so why put more constraints on the employees, rather than evening the playing field?

If the players through all the coaching changes across the NCAA can realize it is a business, why can't administration?
 
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Athletes should be able to compete in the classroom as well as on the field. If they can't, they should go to a juco or other place to learn how to be a student. The term, "student-athlete" means something.

UT's academic standards are not overwhelming and are typical of any major college. They are not as high as Vandy, Stanford, Notre Dame, etc. They are higher than some but nobody that cannot meet UT's standards belongs in a major college program. Using academics as an excuse is just an excuse.
 
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Athletes should be able to compete in the classroom as well as on the field. If they can't, they should go to a juco or other place to learn how to be a student. The term, "student-athlete" means something.

UT's academic standards are not overwhelming and are typical of any major college. They are not as high as Vandy, Stanford, Notre Dame, etc. They are higher than some but nobody that cannot meet UT's standards belongs in a major college program. Using academics as an excuse is just an excuse.

Well that is a great attitude to have so I expect us to be 6 - 6 or 7 - 5 for the rest of existence. I would just like the Coach to be given the tools to succeed and compete with Al., LSU, Ga. He seems like a passionate coach that wants to be here, just wondering it there is a way to keep standards a little high but loosen up to where we can get that recruit that may be on the border for us but can get it good some where else.
 
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No one is saying give them a free pass or anything. Having played ball before not on a level as UT, these guys are committed!! They give up jobs and all kinds of other stuff other students get to do! They can't make their own money, free food from a hook up from Mcdonalds a lot of constraints are placed on these guys enough. Just saying the work put in for the sake of money earned for the University should reward a looser reign as far as requirements. Or just be a Vandy and be happy with it if the fan base buys into it.
 
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Not buying the academic thing anymore. Vandy spanked us last year. Norte dame is playing for NC. It's harder to get in to those places than Tennessee.
 
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Not buying the academic thing anymore. Vandy spanked us last year. Norte dame is playing for NC. It's harder to get in to these places than Tennessee.

that right! why subject these kids to learning how to make it in life after football? we need to pleasure ourselves with victorious 12 Saturdays each fall, dammit! you see how strong our younger generations are today and they don't need schoolin'. yes, they all will be millionaires and none of them will ever have to live around us po folk so why do we care what happens to them?..if they want an education let them go to college...we taxpayers can raise their kids, so long as we get freakin entertained..
 
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Our standards cant be to high. We have a kid on our team that the gators turned away.
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Not buying the academic thing anymore. Vandy spanked us last year. Norte dame is playing for NC. It's harder to get in to these places than Tennessee.

Good point! I guess if that is all you have to do is make grades and play ball can't be too much to ask! A 2.3 was the old standard I believe now it is a 2.5 so that is not too much to ask!

I guess it has to come from top down!! I believe this guy will get the most of our kids so maybe they will exceed in the classroom and the field!
 
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Our standards cant be to high. We have a kid on our team that the gators turned away.
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People who keep bringing this up don't understand the issues regarding the academic problem some coaches are talking about.. UT has no special majors for football players like some others. Also, the way transfer grades, courses, and GPA are treated makes it more difficult for football players at UT. This is what they are talking about.
 
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Our standards cant be to high. We have a kid on our team that the gators turned away.
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CP also made it in somehow too so I don't think anybody could make a serious argument that our standards are too high. As other posters have said, there are other schools that have much higher admission standards than us and many of them would beat us into the dirt, including Vandy
 
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Our standards cant be to high. We have a kid on our team that the gators turned away.
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no we don't.think that kid has left school and went back home.think you are referring to Phillips.at least he was supended.
 
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People who keep bringing this up don't understand the issues regarding the academic problem some coaches are talking about.. UT has no special majors for football players like some others. Also, the way transfer grades, courses, and GPA are treated makes it more difficult for football players at UT. This is what they are talking about.

was that what Spurrier got working in SC ? i remember a few years ago they had what they called academic problems getting recruits in
 
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Cheek wants Tennessee to become the Harvard of the South and for Vandy to be well behind UT on academics, LOL!

I believe that ALL rules should be a certain standard at every school no matter what.

Level the playing field and make it fair to every school from every aspect.

If it's good for 1 school then it should be good for all schools.

College sports should be fair and equal to all.

Cheek can build academics and NOT have any say on our sports teams.

Without footVol then Cheek would NOT have a job or the extra $$$$ to waiste on his other pet projects.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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People who keep bringing this up don't understand the issues regarding the academic problem some coaches are talking about.. UT has no special majors for football players like some others. Also, the way transfer grades, courses, and GPA are treated makes it more difficult for football players at UT. This is what they are talking about.

Heh @ 'somecoaches.' Doug Matthews is the only one who bangs that drum - mostly to defend why his buddy Fulmer flamed out.

(clue: it was more about Sanders and the Clawfense and the FulmerCup than, say, the lack of basketweaving 101)
 
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Sorry if posted:

Can someone PLEASE tell me what the differences are? Please use short concise FACTUAL answers....I was a lineman!

NCAA Requirements:

SEC Requirements:

UT Requirement:

Thanks!

VFL!
 
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People who keep bringing this up don't understand the issues regarding the academic problem some coaches are talking about.. UT has no special majors for football players like some others. Also, the way transfer grades, courses, and GPA are treated makes it more difficult for football players at UT. This is what they are talking about.

Exactly why I was asking? I do not know so, I was looking for someone that may know what standards are they exactly talking about, thanks.
 
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Cheek wants Tennessee to become the Harvard of the South and for Vandy to be well behind UT on academics, LOL!

I believe that ALL rules should be a certain standard at every school no matter what.

Level the playing field and make it fair to every school from every aspect.

If it's good for 1 school then it should be good for all schools.

College sports should be fair and equal to all.

Cheek can build academics and NOT have any say on our sports teams.

Without footVol then Cheek would NOT have a job or the extra $$$$ to waiste on his other pet projects.

VFL...GBO!!!

Someone mentioned earlier that the standard is a 2.5 GPA. I understand the point you are trying to make however a 2.5 is not exactly "Harvard" material. Since this is a growing issue, does anyone know what the relative standards among SEC schools actually are?
 
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Ole Booger Eater wants to learn him some students, at a university of all places!
 
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Tennessee Athletics Compliance

Academic Eligibility

To be eligible for competition, student-athletes are required to maintain progress toward degree by meeting the following:

You must be enrolled full-time, which is a minimum of 12 credits, at all times during the semester.
You must successfully complete at least 24 credits towards your designated degree program during the fall, spring and summer to be eligible next year. A minimum of 18 credits must be earned during the regular academic year.
You must pass at least 6 hours each semester to remain eligible.

Additionally, student-athletes must:

Have a 1.8 GPA prior to beginning their second year.
Designate a degree prior to the beginning of their third year.
Have 40% of their designated degree completed and 1.9 GPA prior to the beginning of their third year.
Have 60% of their designated degree completed and 2.0 GPA.
Have 80% of their designated degree completed and maintain a 2.0 GPA.

Football Student-Athletes Only:

In addition to meeting the above requirements, football student-athletes must pass nine hours and earn the APR eligibility point each fall term of enrollment.

Football student-athletes who fail to meet these requirements must sit out the first four games the following season.

A student-athlete may regain eligibility for the four games by successfully completing 27-hours prior to the beginning of the next fall. This is a one-time exception during your playing career.

Student-athletes have 4 seasons of eligibility within 5 calendar years of their first term of full-time enrollment.
 
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Everyone needs to check out our academic success over the last few years. We have been atrocious in the classroom. I believe that a player here and there can definitely help a team without being a great student, but a team of poor students does lots of dumb things on the field.
 
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Someone mentioned earlier that the standard is a 2.5 GPA. I understand the point you are trying to make however a 2.5 is not exactly "Harvard" material. Since this is a growing issue, does anyone know what the relative standards among SEC schools actually are?

Our team gpa was 2.07 last fall. Our APR was last in the SEC (14th out of 14).

We are not 'Ivy Leage' with our standards, nor are we 'Ivy League' with our results.

However, we just hired a guy who tied for the BE championship and whose team was number one in the conference academically, too. Funny how that can work.
 
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Tennessee Athletics Compliance

Academic Eligibility

To be eligible for competition, student-athletes are required to maintain progress toward degree by meeting the following:

You must be enrolled full-time, which is a minimum of 12 credits, at all times during the semester.
You must successfully complete at least 24 credits towards your designated degree program during the fall, spring and summer to be eligible next year. A minimum of 18 credits must be earned during the regular academic year.
You must pass at least 6 hours each semester to remain eligible.

Additionally, student-athletes must:

Have a 1.8 GPA prior to beginning their second year.
Designate a degree prior to the beginning of their third year.
Have 40% of their designated degree completed and 1.9 GPA prior to the beginning of their third year.
Have 60% of their designated degree completed and 2.0 GPA.
Have 80% of their designated degree completed and maintain a 2.0 GPA.

Football Student-Athletes Only:

In addition to meeting the above requirements, football student-athletes must pass nine hours and earn the APR eligibility point each fall term of enrollment.

Football student-athletes who fail to meet these requirements must sit out the first four games the following season.

A student-athlete may regain eligibility for the four games by successfully completing 27-hours prior to the beginning of the next fall. This is a one-time exception during your playing career.

Student-athletes have 4 seasons of eligibility within 5 calendar years of their first term of full-time enrollment.

This is outstanding info thanks for sharing! Could you point me to the source (website) where you found this? I'd like to do some additional research of my own. Thanks again!
 
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Athletes should be able to compete in the classroom as well as on the field. If they can't, they should go to a juco or other place to learn how to be a student. The term, "student-athlete" means something.

UT's academic standards are not overwhelming and are typical of any major college. They are not as high as Vandy, Stanford, Notre Dame, etc. They are higher than some but nobody that cannot meet UT's standards belongs in a major college program. Using academics as an excuse is just an excuse.

UTs "standards"(if that is what you want to call them) is second highest in the SEC, second only to Vandy.
No excuse, just fact.
And incoming and existing Coaches will tell you it is an issue.
 

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