Academics!?

[OrangeByBirth]

This is outstanding info thanks for sharing! Could you point me to the source (website) where you found this? I'd like to do some additional research of my own. Thanks again!

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Tennessee Athletics Compliance

 

[therealUT]

Do Tennessee fans realize that the University of Tennessee is an academic institution with a primarily academic mission?

 

[douglas67]

This is always funny!! Wait until some of you actually have to write a check to a University, then maybe you will understand.

I have 6 kids, 4 chose to go to college, 2 are currently practicing the school of hard knocks. Either way, the option is still open.

This is my beef with the system......All of my kids who went to College recieved some sort of academic scholarship's, they also qualified for grants, and even got some additional help from their Senior banquet at High school with additinal funding. When they apply for a college their is a certain GPA and ACT(SAT) score they are held accountable for. So not only are my kids held acoountable for grades, Mom and Dad are funding quite a bit to make it possible.

So here is the Star athlete, his GPA, SAT(ACT) scores can be drastically lower than those of the average student.....He gets a free education, books, room and board, FOOD, and medical care....and if they qualify can also recieve a 4500$ grant from the NCAA for spending money on a yearly basis. Folks, that's 30,000 to 60,000$ a year on average their getting for free.

Now, are the stadiums sold out? Generally speaking, Yes. In doing so, the return is anywhere from a 120,000 to 240,000$ education for free. I dont think it is asking to much from the University for the kid to get his degree.....I dont think you need to compare UT to Harvard, you just need to be fair, and realize, players need to get their degree. This wasnt an issue in 1985, you know why? Guys were walkin away with a degree, simple is that. When did it become OK for a kid to come into the campus, get all the benifits that I just explained, and walk away from school after 4 years 30-40 credit hours short of a degree?

This should never be an issue.

 

[OrangeByBirth]

Do Tennessee fans realize that the University of Tennessee is an academic institution with a primarily academic mission?

You, sir, are a heretic!

 

[therealitytheory]

UTs "standards"(if that is what you want to call them) is second highest in the SEC, second only to Vandy.
No excuse, just fact.
And incoming and existing Coaches will tell you it is an issue.

Link to our standards being 2nd highest?

I'll not hold my breath.

 

[Volgrad95]

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Thx!

 

[Cartervol]

This is overblown.. They talked about it at length on 3HL yesterday..

 

[biggestvols]

Not buying the academic thing anymore. Vandy spanked us last year. Norte dame is playing for NC. It's harder to get in to these places than Tennessee.

Nortre Dame and Sandford would lose 4 games apiece in SEC

 

[biggestvols]

Delete

 

[therealUT]

Nortre Dame and Sandford would lose 4 games apiece in SEC

Right...Am I right to assume that you have a lot of money riding on the title game? You must surely think it is easy money.

 

[therealitytheory]

Even Dooley - Mr. Year Zero, excuse-maker extroidinnaire, never made a peep about lofty scholar-athlete requirements holding back the football program.

 

[shaggymoe]

Nortre Dame and Sandford would lose 4 games apiece in SEC

We won one game in the sec.

 

[midtnvol2]

Tennessee Athletics Compliance

Academic Eligibility

To be eligible for competition, student-athletes are required to maintain progress toward degree by meeting the following:

You must be enrolled full-time, which is a minimum of 12 credits, at all times during the semester.
You must successfully complete at least 24 credits towards your designated degree program during the fall, spring and summer to be eligible next year. A minimum of 18 credits must be earned during the regular academic year.
You must pass at least 6 hours each semester to remain eligible.

Additionally, student-athletes must:

Have a 1.8 GPA prior to beginning their second year.
Designate a degree prior to the beginning of their third year.
Have 40% of their designated degree completed and 1.9 GPA prior to the beginning of their third year.
Have 60% of their designated degree completed and 2.0 GPA.
Have 80% of their designated degree completed and maintain a 2.0 GPA.

Football Student-Athletes Only:

In addition to meeting the above requirements, football student-athletes must pass nine hours and earn the APR eligibility point each fall term of enrollment.

Football student-athletes who fail to meet these requirements must sit out the first four games the following season.

A student-athlete may regain eligibility for the four games by successfully completing 27-hours prior to the beginning of the next fall. This is a one-time exception during your playing career.

Student-athletes have 4 seasons of eligibility within 5 calendar years of their first term of full-time enrollment.

Most of you may have not heard of the problem which is policy changes that Cheek has imposed. You can see up above the stepped degree requirements for each year, what isn't said is that Cheek now makes you declare a major as a freshmen and penalizes you if you chage majors. Example: Lets say you come in as a business marketing major and after two years of playing a college sport you discover a desire to teach and become a HS coach yourself after college, by declaring a change in your major at your sophmore year, according to Cheek's stepped progression requirement you are now behind in the education major and are now academicly ineligible to continue playing your college sport regardless of what your GPA is. (no other sec school has this policy). Ever since college athletics has been around coaches have requested weekly or bi-weekly grade reports from the athletes teachers so they can catch problems and request tutoring help for students that need it. Another Cheek policy is that now teachers do not have to report student athletes progress to coaches, they can send them end of semester grades only. (no other sec school does this). The Thorton Center at UT was donated and paid for by Thunder Thorton to be a life skills, tutoring center, study hall, math lab, writing lab, for student athletes. Cheek has taken this center over and cut back on the amount of resources and time that is available to all student athletes.
Why is this so important? By rule football can have a max of 20hour a week offical team practices, thats 4 hours a day m-f. Mandatory strength workouts and film review are seperate from that 20 hours. Most student athletes start workouts at 5:30-6am before class every day, go to class, have a 3-4 hour practice and mange to eat in between and study. There is a huge demand on their time and they deserve some help and not to be handicapped. So they do earn the scholarship that they receive. Cheek does'nt care for student sports but is very quick to take the majority of the 14mil plus share from SEC tv contracts, majority of season ticket sales and stadium concessions, athletic booster donations, and the money from appareal sales because UT owns the liscense rights to all UT logos.
All universites make millions of dollars off of student athletes every year. The stumbling blocks that I laid out above are definite deterents to coaches and student athletes. When Cheek arrived in the early 2000's and started to make these changes think about the decline in talent on the field and the large number of rejections by coaches we have had in our coaching searches and ask yourself are the things related? Yes they are.

 

[89hoss]

Thanks guys, pretty good reading, I hope that all that is needed is a 1.8 and some can't qualify because now that is just horrible/lazy!!

 

[Ashevillevol]

Most of you may have not heard of the problem which is policy changes that Cheek has imposed. You can see up above the stepped degree requirements for each year, what isn't said is that Cheek now makes you declare a major as a freshmen and penalizes you if you chage majors. Example: Lets say you come in as a business marketing major and after two years of playing a college sport you discover a desire to teach and become a HS coach yourself after college, by declaring a change in your major at your sophmore year, according to Cheek's stepped progression requirement you are now behind in the education major and are now academicly ineligible to continue playing your college sport regardless of what your GPA is. (no other sec school has this policy). Ever since college athletics has been around coaches have requested weekly or bi-weekly grade reports from the athletes teachers so they can catch problems and request tutoring help for students that need it. Another Cheek policy is that now teachers do not have to report student athletes progress to coaches, they can send them end of semester grades only. (no other sec school does this). The Thorton Center at UT was donated and paid for by Thunder Thorton to be a life skills, tutoring center, study hall, math lab, writing lab, for student athletes. Cheek has taken this center over and cut back on the amount of resources and time that is available to all student athletes.
Why is this so important? By rule football can have a max of 20hour a week offical team practices, thats 4 hours a day m-f. Mandatory strength workouts and film review are seperate from that 20 hours. Most student athletes start workouts at 5:30-6am before class every day, go to class, have a 3-4 hour practice and mange to eat in between and study. There is a huge demand on their time and they deserve some help and not to be handicapped. So they do earn the scholarship that they receive. Cheek does'nt care for student sports but is very quick to take the majority of the 14mil plus share from SEC tv contracts, majority of season ticket sales and stadium concessions, athletic booster donations, and the money from appareal sales because UT owns the liscense rights to all UT logos.
All universites make millions of dollars off of student athletes every year. The stumbling blocks that I laid out above are definite deterents to coaches and student athletes. When Cheek arrived in the early 2000's and started to make these changes think about the decline in talent on the field and the large number of rejections by coaches we have had in our coaching searches and ask yourself are the things related? Yes they are.

nice succinct post. where did you get this information?

 

[89hoss]

Most of you may have not heard of the problem which is policy changes that Cheek has imposed. You can see up above the stepped degree requirements for each year, what isn't said is that Cheek now makes you declare a major as a freshmen and penalizes you if you chage majors. Example: Lets say you come in as a business marketing major and after two years of playing a college sport you discover a desire to teach and become a HS coach yourself after college, by declaring a change in your major at your sophmore year, according to Cheek's stepped progression requirement you are now behind in the education major and are now academicly ineligible to continue playing your college sport regardless of what your GPA is. (no other sec school has this policy). Ever since college athletics has been around coaches have requested weekly or bi-weekly grade reports from the athletes teachers so they can catch problems and request tutoring help for students that need it. Another Cheek policy is that now teachers do not have to report student athletes progress to coaches, they can send them end of semester grades only. (no other sec school does this). The Thorton Center at UT was donated and paid for by Thunder Thorton to be a life skills, tutoring center, study hall, math lab, writing lab, for student athletes. Cheek has taken this center over and cut back on the amount of resources and time that is available to all student athletes.
Why is this so important? By rule football can have a max of 20hour a week offical team practices, thats 4 hours a day m-f. Mandatory strength workouts and film review are seperate from that 20 hours. Most student athletes start workouts at 5:30-6am before class every day, go to class, have a 3-4 hour practice and mange to eat in between and study. There is a huge demand on their time and they deserve some help and not to be handicapped. So they do earn the scholarship that they receive. Cheek does'nt care for student sports but is very quick to take the majority of the 14mil plus share from SEC tv contracts, majority of season ticket sales and stadium concessions, athletic booster donations, and the money from appareal sales because UT owns the liscense rights to all UT logos.
All universites make millions of dollars off of student athletes every year. The stumbling blocks that I laid out above are definite deterents to coaches and student athletes. When Cheek arrived in the early 2000's and started to make these changes think about the decline in talent on the field and the large number of rejections by coaches we have had in our coaching searches and ask yourself are the things related? Yes they are.

How can an athletic department/boosters or whomever let that continue to go on when the school has lost x amount of dollars since he has been there. It seems not only a coaching problem but administration!! who can make those changes that the program gets back where it used to be!!

 

[MOTOVOL]

Most of you may have not heard of the problem which is policy changes that Cheek has imposed. You can see up above the stepped degree requirements for each year, what isn't said is that Cheek now makes you declare a major as a freshmen and penalizes you if you chage majors. Example: Lets say you come in as a business marketing major and after two years of playing a college sport you discover a desire to teach and become a HS coach yourself after college, by declaring a change in your major at your sophmore year, according to Cheek's stepped progression requirement you are now behind in the education major and are now academicly ineligible to continue playing your college sport regardless of what your GPA is. (no other sec school has this policy). Ever since college athletics has been around coaches have requested weekly or bi-weekly grade reports from the athletes teachers so they can catch problems and request tutoring help for students that need it. Another Cheek policy is that now teachers do not have to report student athletes progress to coaches, they can send them end of semester grades only. (no other sec school does this). The Thorton Center at UT was donated and paid for by Thunder Thorton to be a life skills, tutoring center, study hall, math lab, writing lab, for student athletes. Cheek has taken this center over and cut back on the amount of resources and time that is available to all student athletes.
Why is this so important? By rule football can have a max of 20hour a week offical team practices, thats 4 hours a day m-f. Mandatory strength workouts and film review are seperate from that 20 hours. Most student athletes start workouts at 5:30-6am before class every day, go to class, have a 3-4 hour practice and mange to eat in between and study. There is a huge demand on their time and they deserve some help and not to be handicapped. So they do earn the scholarship that they receive. Cheek does'nt care for student sports but is very quick to take the majority of the 14mil plus share from SEC tv contracts, majority of season ticket sales and stadium concessions, athletic booster donations, and the money from appareal sales because UT owns the liscense rights to all UT logos.
All universites make millions of dollars off of student athletes every year. The stumbling blocks that I laid out above are definite deterents to coaches and student athletes. When Cheek arrived in the early 2000's and started to make these changes think about the decline in talent on the field and the large number of rejections by coaches we have had in our coaching searches and ask yourself are the things related? Yes they are.

Thanks for the info. Good stuff that actually answer questions.:good!:

 

[douglas67]

Most of you may have not heard of the problem which is policy changes that Cheek has imposed. You can see up above the stepped degree requirements for each year, what isn't said is that Cheek now makes you declare a major as a freshmen and penalizes you if you chage majors. Example: Lets say you come in as a business marketing major and after two years of playing a college sport you discover a desire to teach and become a HS coach yourself after college, by declaring a change in your major at your sophmore year, according to Cheek's stepped progression requirement you are now behind in the education major and are now academicly ineligible to continue playing your college sport regardless of what your GPA is. (no other sec school has this policy). Ever since college athletics has been around coaches have requested weekly or bi-weekly grade reports from the athletes teachers so they can catch problems and request tutoring help for students that need it. Another Cheek policy is that now teachers do not have to report student athletes progress to coaches, they can send them end of semester grades only. (no other sec school does this). The Thorton Center at UT was donated and paid for by Thunder Thorton to be a life skills, tutoring center, study hall, math lab, writing lab, for student athletes. Cheek has taken this center over and cut back on the amount of resources and time that is available to all student athletes.
Why is this so important? By rule football can have a max of 20hour a week offical team practices, thats 4 hours a day m-f. Mandatory strength workouts and film review are seperate from that 20 hours. Most student athletes start workouts at 5:30-6am before class every day, go to class, have a 3-4 hour practice and mange to eat in between and study. There is a huge demand on their time and they deserve some help and not to be handicapped. So they do earn the scholarship that they receive. Cheek does'nt care for student sports but is very quick to take the majority of the 14mil plus share from SEC tv contracts, majority of season ticket sales and stadium concessions, athletic booster donations, and the money from appareal sales because UT owns the liscense rights to all UT logos.
All universites make millions of dollars off of student athletes every year. The stumbling blocks that I laid out above are definite deterents to coaches and student athletes. When Cheek arrived in the early 2000's and started to make these changes think about the decline in talent on the field and the large number of rejections by coaches we have had in our coaching searches and ask yourself are the things related? Yes they are.

Someone that is at a University on a academic scholarship is required to carry at least a 2.8 GPA. And that is a partial scholarship at best? Many students also work part time 15-20 hours a week to make ends meat. Having to carry a 1.8 to 2.0 GPA to maintain a FOOTBALL scholarship is a joke. With School, books, room, Food, and medical care, the cost for the University is outragous, it is a far cry from the 14 mill you make reference to. Cheek should be commended for his efforts.

 

[midtnvol2]

nice succinct post. where did you get this information?

Football rules are from NCAA Guidelines, the company I work for have two former student athletes from UT that played football and basketball in the 1980's, so much of the player schedules come from them, and I also personally know twins that played on the o-line here in the late 2000's and some info came from them, and the Cheek policy changes was from info reported on by Tony Basilio and posted on his blog in the last month. Some of the policy info was also confirmed thru a few of the players listed above.

 

[midtnvol2]

Someone that is at a University on a academic scholarship is required to carry at least a 2.8 GPA. And that is a partial scholarship at best? Many students also work part time 15-20 hours a week to make ends meat. Having to carry a 1.8 to 2.0 GPA to maintain a FOOTBALL scholarship is a joke. With School, books, room, Food, and medical care, the cost for the University is outragous, it is a far cry from the 14 mill you make reference to. Cheek should be commended for his efforts.

I am not saying that Cheek does'nt have the right to improve academic standards, what many people are asking for is to remove enough hurdles thad will level the playing field with the other SEC universities. That isn't all the problems I have heard of, it is just the ones I could confirm. The 14mil isn't the total amount, its just the TV revenue portion. I fully support both sides of the university, regular students and student athletes. Just trying to share accurate info, you are free to believe what you choose, I'm not trying to force anything on anyone.

 

[Coach Grizz]

Athletes should be able to compete in the classroom as well as on the field. If they can't, they should go to a juco or other place to learn how to be a student. The term, "student-athlete" means something.

UT's academic standards are not overwhelming and are typical of any major college. They are not as high as Vandy, Stanford, Notre Dame, etc. They are higher than some but nobody that cannot meet UT's standards belongs in a major college program. Using academics as an excuse is just an excuse.

Is that you clay?

 

[midtnvol2]

How can an athletic department/boosters or whomever let that continue to go on when the school has lost x amount of dollars since he has been there. It seems not only a coaching problem but administration!! who can make those changes that the program gets back where it used to be!!

Those positions in a state run school like UT are hired and fired by the UT BOT (board of trustees) if I am not mistaken. I think I am correct in saying that those BOT positions are appointed from the governor.

 

[ToineMac]

Tennessee Athletics Compliance

Academic Eligibility

To be eligible for competition, student-athletes are required to maintain progress toward degree by meeting the following:

You must be enrolled full-time, which is a minimum of 12 credits, at all times during the semester.
You must successfully complete at least 24 credits towards your designated degree program during the fall, spring and summer to be eligible next year. A minimum of 18 credits must be earned during the regular academic year.
You must pass at least 6 hours each semester to remain eligible.

Additionally, student-athletes must:

Have a 1.8 GPA prior to beginning their second year.
Designate a degree prior to the beginning of their third year.
Have 40% of their designated degree completed and 1.9 GPA prior to the beginning of their third year.
Have 60% of their designated degree completed and 2.0 GPA.
Have 80% of their designated degree completed and maintain a 2.0 GPA.

Football Student-Athletes Only:

In addition to meeting the above requirements, football student-athletes must pass nine hours and earn the APR eligibility point each fall term of enrollment.

Football student-athletes who fail to meet these requirements must sit out the first four games the following season.

A student-athlete may regain eligibility for the four games by successfully completing 27-hours prior to the beginning of the next fall. This is a one-time exception during your playing career.

Student-athletes have 4 seasons of eligibility within 5 calendar years of their first term of full-time enrollment.

How does this compare nationally or within the conference?

 

[rkvdg]

Most of you may have not heard of the problem which is policy changes that Cheek has imposed. You can see up above the stepped degree requirements for each year, what isn't said is that Cheek now makes you declare a major as a freshmen and penalizes you if you chage majors. Example: Lets say you come in as a business marketing major and after two years of playing a college sport you discover a desire to teach and become a HS coach yourself after college, by declaring a change in your major at your sophmore year, according to Cheek's stepped progression requirement you are now behind in the education major and are now academicly ineligible to continue playing your college sport regardless of what your GPA is. (no other sec school has this policy). Ever since college athletics has been around coaches have requested weekly or bi-weekly grade reports from the athletes teachers so they can catch problems and request tutoring help for students that need it. Another Cheek policy is that now teachers do not have to report student athletes progress to coaches, they can send them end of semester grades only. (no other sec school does this). The Thorton Center at UT was donated and paid for by Thunder Thorton to be a life skills, tutoring center, study hall, math lab, writing lab, for student athletes. Cheek has taken this center over and cut back on the amount of resources and time that is available to all student athletes.
Why is this so important? By rule football can have a max of 20hour a week offical team practices, thats 4 hours a day m-f. Mandatory strength workouts and film review are seperate from that 20 hours. Most student athletes start workouts at 5:30-6am before class every day, go to class, have a 3-4 hour practice and mange to eat in between and study. There is a huge demand on their time and they deserve some help and not to be handicapped. So they do earn the scholarship that they receive. Cheek does'nt care for student sports but is very quick to take the majority of the 14mil plus share from SEC tv contracts, majority of season ticket sales and stadium concessions, athletic booster donations, and the money from appareal sales because UT owns the liscense rights to all UT logos.
All universites make millions of dollars off of student athletes every year. The stumbling blocks that I laid out above are definite deterents to coaches and student athletes. When Cheek arrived in the early 2000's and started to make these changes think about the decline in talent on the field and the large number of rejections by coaches we have had in our coaching searches and ask yourself are the things related? Yes they are.

I also heard that the bot took out the easy course studys that players could use to keep there gpa's up , and that was also one of the biggest problem with players staying eligible . Not emission standards .

 

[1967vol]

I also heard that the bot took out the easy course studys that players could use to keep there gpa's up , and that was also one of the biggest problem with players staying eligible . Not emission standards .

That is correct. Also, the way GPA is figured with regard to + - grades is a factor.