Academics!?

[midtnvol2]

I also heard that the bot took out the easy course studys that players could use to keep there gpa's up , and that was also one of the biggest problem with players staying eligible . Not emission standards .

I don't know about that one, what you are saying may be what people are stating as juco player transfer issues. Again I think the main complaint is the problems once you are here on staying eligible

 

[89hoss]

I am not saying that Cheek does'nt have the right to improve academic standards, what many people are asking for is to remove enough hurdles thad will level the playing field with the other SEC universities. That isn't all the problems I have heard of, it is just the ones I could confirm. The 14mil isn't the total amount, its just the TV revenue portion. I fully support both sides of the university, regular students and student athletes. Just trying to share accurate info, you are free to believe what you choose, I'm not trying to force anything on anyone.

I know when I was in college I changed majors 3 times, not knowing or understanding different things as a youngster from home for the first time. I agree there should be standards and a of those standards it what makes UT, UT. At the same time some of the rules stated such as the major changes or the life center that was donated for the athletes to be used as such for them to get the education that they are busting there butts for to sale tickets, sale merchandise for UT. If you change your major that is your right if you don't graduate in 4 years provided you understand you have to pay to finish out of your own pocket. While on scholarship they should have the resources provided for them to succeed. They are athletes a wide range from the smart to the not so smart and if the not so smart needs assistance, someone supplied them with that resource and it taken away who does that lie on? 1.8 to 2.3 should be easy for some of us but some of us it may be tough and that resource should be available for them that want it to use.

 

[MFL]

Sooner or later you got to hire a coach that can hire a quality staff and depend on them to do there job. Going to know quick on this guy. I love his drill sergeant approach.

 

[TheApprentice]

Ok I've said this before in another thread.

My gf went to high school with Eric Gordon. She said it was a well known fact that his attendance was poor and his ACT score was an 18.

TIFWIW

 

[89hoss]

Ok I've said this before in another thread.

My gf went to high school with Eric Gordon. She said it was a well known fact that his attendance was poor and his ACT score was an 18.

TIFWIW

Yes sir, the kids have to take responsibility for the own actions there also. I don't agree with the major thing but as far as being strict, hey it is a free ride. Although it is a dream for most to play on this level and some kind of rules need to be put in place ACROSS the board at EVERY institution!

In this case it just seems we are handicapping some of ourselves. Give the kids the resources, be strict on those that need the direction and if they can't bounce them down the road. There are a lot of good kids out there that would give their all for UT! Maybe if these big universities would bounce all the bad apples down the road some would straighten up and fly right.

 

[67volbabygirl]

Here is another perspective in case you haven't seen it from MzTerry who is Jason Croom's mom.

Welcome butch jones from mzterry

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Speaking as a parent. I've read on a few different boards that a few of the coaches that were interviewed had issues with our academic structures. That really bothered me and here's why.

During my son's recruitment process, I had a spreadsheet of questions for all 25+ schools that offered him, and in that list of questions I had few specifically regarding academics. I asked every coach who i let into my living room:

1. At what gpa do you NO longer allow your players to hit the field?

2. Who is the person(s) that support the players while they're on the road?

3. Will the parents have access to the academic support team?

4 I found University of Tennessee to honor EVERY FREAKIN' THING they told me during recruitment to be 1000% TRUTH!

Academic probation is 2.0 ( You're not playing)

Note takers and tutors available(TRUTH)
Structured needs to EACH individual player (TRUTH)

Parent access to academic advisors (TRUTH)

Vol For Life Program (PHENOMAL TRUTH) Y'all really don't know the half of what that really means to the families AND our sons. Everything should not be shared publicly, but this is the best thing DOOLEY ever put in place.

I could share a million things that I wasn't told during recruitment, but NOT ONE THING negatively. I was blown away by the structure behind those players once he got on campus. I was absolutely stunned, thrilled, estatic; and definitely reassured that sending my son to the University of Tennessee was more than the right decision for our family and his well-being.

I had coaches that I put out of my house because they told me well "Mrs. Terry, student isn't failing until they hit a 1.9gpa". My mouth dropped, my husband head dropped, my son shook his head, and his Godmother asked the coach to repeat himself.

So I said all that to say this; If Dave Hart interviewed coaches that didn't like University of Tennessee's structure of our academics, then AMEN! What that tells me as a parent, that those coaches didn't give rats ass about these kids who are in college to earn a degree and an education by way of FOOTBALL. My son isn't in college to play football. He's playing football to earn the scholarship money they'll give him for his education. It's only a means to an end, and the end is his degree. Scholarships offers are partnerships. The university athletics is a BUSINESS first, and my son's education is MY BUSINESS. When we signed those papers February 1, 2012, it was business partnership we agreed to for four years annual renewal contract.... and it said Croom, you keep your grades up and perform at this level playing football and we'll give you "X" amount of dollars, room and board, and meal plan. Hell if nothing else... feeding him alone was good for me. lol

But seriously, it reaffirms that Dave Hart and the Unversity of Tennessee is insistant on maintaining the intergrity of the university, and I commend and appreciate that. I would NOT want to have my son in an environment where the people don't give a damn about him as a person and think of him as a commodity.

Welcome to the Univeristy of Tennessee Butch Jones. Looks like you ended up with my baby anyway... :0)

 

[89hoss]

Sooner or later you got to hire a coach that can hire a quality staff and depend on them to do there job. Going to know quick on this guy. I love his drill sergeant approach.

Seems like he is going to bring some organization and a sense of accountability! I like this guy and the approach! I really love to hear the positive things ESPN is saying about him. I really want this to work and for Coach Butch to have the resources needed to build this program, build young men that we all can be proud to root for on Sat.
Rebuild that pride that so many others laid the path down for at UT!!

GBO!!

Thanks for the conversation here really enjoyed it and learned a lot.

Also thanks for your military service sir!!

 

[89hoss]

Here is another perspective in case you haven't seen it from MzTerry who is Jason Croom's mom.

Welcome butch jones from mzterry

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Speaking as a parent. I've read on a few different boards that a few of the coaches that were interviewed had issues with our academic structures. That really bothered me and here's why.

During my son's recruitment process, I had a spreadsheet of questions for all 25+ schools that offered him, and in that list of questions I had few specifically regarding academics. I asked every coach who i let into my living room:

1. At what gpa do you NO longer allow your players to hit the field?

2. Who is the person(s) that support the players while they're on the road?

3. Will the parents have access to the academic support team?

4 I found University of Tennessee to honor EVERY FREAKIN' THING they told me during recruitment to be 1000% TRUTH!

Academic probation is 2.0 ( You're not playing)

Note takers and tutors available(TRUTH)
Structured needs to EACH individual player (TRUTH)

Parent access to academic advisors (TRUTH)

Vol For Life Program (PHENOMAL TRUTH) Y'all really don't know the half of what that really means to the families AND our sons. Everything should not be shared publicly, but this is the best thing DOOLEY ever put in place.

I could share a million things that I wasn't told during recruitment, but NOT ONE THING negatively. I was blown away by the structure behind those players once he got on campus. I was absolutely stunned, thrilled, estatic; and definitely reassured that sending my son to the University of Tennessee was more than the right decision for our family and his well-being.

I had coaches that I put out of my house because they told me well "Mrs. Terry, student isn't failing until they hit a 1.9gpa". My mouth dropped, my husband head dropped, my son shook his head, and his Godmother asked the coach to repeat himself.

So I said all that to say this; If Dave Hart interviewed coaches that didn't like University of Tennessee's structure of our academics, then AMEN! What that tells me as a parent, that those coaches didn't give rats ass about these kids who are in college to earn a degree and an education by way of FOOTBALL. My son isn't in college to play football. He's playing football to earn the scholarship money they'll give him for his education. It's only a means to an end, and the end is his degree. Scholarships offers are partnerships. The university athletics is a BUSINESS first, and my son's education is MY BUSINESS. When we signed those papers February 1, 2012, it was business partnership we agreed to for four years annual renewal contract.... and it said Croom, you keep your grades up and perform at this level playing football and we'll give you "X" amount of dollars, room and board, and meal plan. Hell if nothing else... feeding him alone was good for me. lol

But seriously, it reaffirms that Dave Hart and the Unversity of Tennessee is insistant on maintaining the intergrity of the university, and I commend and appreciate that. I would NOT want to have my son in an environment where the people don't give a damn about him as a person and think of him as a commodity.

Welcome to the Univeristy of Tennessee Butch Jones. Looks like you ended up with my baby anyway... :0)

Now that is a way I have not looked at it and with my nephew now going through the recruiting process, I am sure as a parent is huge. I can see that!!

Thanks for sharing.

 

[midtnvol2]

Yes sir, the kids have to take responsibility for the own actions there also. I don't agree with the major thing but as far as being strict, hey it is a free ride. Although it is a dream for most to play on this level and some kind of rules need to be put in place ACROSS the board at EVERY institution!

In this case it just seems we are handicapping some of ourselves. Give the kids the resources, be strict on those that need the direction and if they can't bounce them down the road. There are a lot of good kids out there that would give their all for UT! Maybe if these big universities would bounce all the bad apples down the road some would straighten up and fly right.

Yep, the NCAA establishes the minimum or the floor and the schools can raise requirements at their own choosing.

 

[douglas67]

I am not saying that Cheek does'nt have the right to improve academic standards, what many people are asking for is to remove enough hurdles thad will level the playing field with the other SEC universities. That isn't all the problems I have heard of, it is just the ones I could confirm. The 14mil isn't the total amount, its just the TV revenue portion. I fully support both sides of the university, regular students and student athletes. Just trying to share accurate info, you are free to believe what you choose, I'm not trying to force anything on anyone.

I appreciate the honest info, I really do. UT, UGA, Vandy, Fla, and USC are all examples I believe of this happening, I don't think it's just exclusive to UT. Notice, there was not one institution I mentioned in the WEST......Although, I feel A&M will help that cause, as well as Mizzou in the East.

 

[Advol]

Do Tennessee fans realize that the University of Tennessee is an academic institution with a primarily academic mission?

Next thing you know, you all will want our "student" athletes to go to class...........no wunder we aint winnin:clapping:

 

[AshG]

Next thing you know, you all will want our "student" athletes to go to class...........no wunder we aint winnin:clapping:

Back in Spring 2001, I was taking History of Rock just to have enough credit hours to keep my financial aid going. Simple class, show up with a pulse, test every couple weeks. There were MANY football players in there when the class started. About once a week, this guy would come in the Music Hall, walk down one aisle to the bottom, turn around and walk back up; I didn't bother to pay it any attention, just thought it strange.

Over time, players dwindled off but the aisle walker kept coming once a week. When it was finally easily noticeable that players were skipping sessions, we came in and found the front row roped off. In came the players, and there they sat and took (supposedly) copious notes the rest of the term with the aisle-walker now sitting the row behind them.

That struck me as a positive thing, the regular checking in on players attending easy-A lecture classes. Did that practice stop somewhere along the way, or was it the practice of letting them take those classes to begin with that stopped?

 

[MSCE09]

The main complaint is the university got rid of some fluff degrees. Players now have to at least enroll in a real degree program.

 

[UT Hill Man]

Her's the SEC according to US News Report

1. Vanderbilt
2. Texas A&M
3. Florida
4. Georgia
5. Alabama
6. Auburn
7. Missouri
8. Tennessee
9. South Carolina
10. Kentucky
11. LSU
12. Arkansas
13. Ole Miss
14. Mississippi State

As you can see, it could be worse. As it is Alabama, Florida, and Georgia all have more rigid academic standards than we have. We should strive to not be Ole Miss and State, not dumb things down and be like them.

 

[MZTERRY]

Now that is a way I have not looked at it and with my nephew now going through the recruiting process, I am sure as a parent is huge. I can see that!!

Thanks for sharing.

Scott Altizer is the mutha f'n man!!! along with the rest of the academics staff. Scott's job specifically makes the parents and students lives in transition so much less complicated. That man know his stuff.

I would tell anyone who is going through the recruiting process to get to know who your compliance academic officers are at ANY of the schools you're seriously looking at. UT / Scott was my backbone while Jason was going through his process.

It's a lot to write but ifyou need pointers of recruiting and knowing how to interview these schools don't hesitate to contact me. My email is VFLTERRY@gmail.com