Activist Judge Blocks Arizona SB1070

I believe his point is that even if it's true it doesn't make a dent

Correct. Do the math. Over half a million enter the U.S. illegally every year. A whopping 400,000 get deported by the incompetent federal government. What is the net impact on the illegal immigrant population in the U.S. each year?

utvolpj, this obviously isn't directed at you, but rather our resident liberal.
 
I am not saying a thing. The Judge is. I'm not sure she's saying that it's ok for the Feds to do it. I think she's saying the Fed's don't round up legal citizens or residents and burden them by proving their innocence.

So she's blaming illegal immigration on the fact that we let em in by not closing the border. At some point she has to get to this, because if not she does not believe illegal immigration to any extent is a problem.
 
Correct. Do the math. Over half a million enter the U.S. illegally every year. A whopping 400,000 get deported by the incompetent federal government. What is the net impact on the illegal immigrant population in the U.S. each year?

utvolpj, this obviously isn't directed at you, but rather our resident liberal.

I got it

and from his article

A June 30 memorandum from ICE director John Morton instructed officers to focus their "principal attention" on felons and repeat lawbreakers.

how many of those 400k are counted more than once? Based on the way they count job numbers...
 
I got it

and from his article



how many of those 400k are counted more than once? Based on the way they count job numbers...

They'll release revised numbers in a few months showing that it was two people. Oops! We miscounted by a few. What do you expect? They're government workers after all.
 
But he's doing it. Does that upset you?



"In a bid to remake the enforcement of federal immigration laws, the Obama administration is deporting record numbers of illegal immigrants and auditing hundreds of businesses that blithely hire undocumented workers.

The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency expects to deport about 400,000 people this fiscal year, nearly 10 percent above the Bush administration's 2008 total and 25 percent more than were deported in 2007. The pace of company audits has roughly quadrupled since President George W. Bush's final year in office. "

washingtonpost.com

:hi:

Yep. WaPo. Now there's a credible media source.
 
Refusing to accept blatant propaganda as a reliable news report is silly? Not as silly as accepting any WaPo, NYTimes, CNN, AP or Fox News report blindly. The "news report" you linked to is dripping with agenda, including the choice of photo to decorate it. The numbers in the report are sourced to the federal government. This White House has been lying to the people since the beginning. Do I really need to count the ways? But you go ahead and take what they say at face value and follow them right off the cliff if you want to.
 
Anyway, what none of you all seem to get is that of course anytime a police officer arrests someone, she can turn that person over to ICE.

...as long as they don't arrest said person for being in the country illegally!!! Got it. :eek:k:
 
Anyway, what none of you all seem to get is that of course anytime a police officer arrests someone, she can turn that person over to ICE.

the court case the judge referenced shows that ICE doesn't even have the time to deal with them. Not to mention there is no way (without this law) to determine who needs to be turned over.

They are just another gov't dept understaffed to the point of being useless. Take the money being spent on illegals yearly, redirect it to enforcement of US laws and end this mess.
 
I believe his point is that even if it's true it doesn't make a dent

obama's supposed immigration enforcement is a facade. there was an article in the WSJ a couple of months ago saying arrests on the border were down 50% from when bush was in office.
 
The irony here is that the federal policy is that they can detain you indefinitely without ANY reason. If anything, this AZ law requires a probable cause and suspicion on another ground FIRST. The AZ law actually provides for more protections on rights than the Fed policy.

The AZ policy calls for another possible criminal act to be carried out. If that is the case, they can detain you for quite some time on those grounds. Let's say you robbed someone or a store. The cops come and detain you - arrest you. While they have you, they inquire as to your status. please tell me where the problem is?
 
The irony here is that the federal policy is that they can detain you indefinitely without ANY reason. If anything, this AZ law requires a probable cause and suspicion on another ground FIRST. The AZ law actually provides for more protections on rights than the Fed policy.

The AZ policy calls for another possible criminal act to be carried out. If that is the case, they can detain you for quite some time on those grounds. Let's say you robbed someone or a store. The cops come and detain you - arrest you. While they have you, they inquire as to your status. please tell me where the problem is?

Simple.

AZ is forcing the Feds to do something they have no desire to do. Federal Law or not.
 
Judge Bolton: An F for the Arizona Decision – Rewrite It | WOPULAR

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It’s been thirty years, and I still miss the classroom. I taught American Political Theory to mostly seniors, Pre-Law or Political Science majors, that long ago. If any of them had submitted a paper as ill-thought-out as Judge Susan Bolton’s decision on the Arizona immigration law, I’d have given them an F, and made them rewrite it from scratch.

Here’s why:

The largest point is that this US District Judge ignored the very case that was presented to her for decision. The federal complaint attacked the Arizona law for only one general flaw. It claimed that the state law preempted federal law, and was therefore unconstitutional.

It is grossly improper for any judge in any case to go outside the pleadings and decide the case on different grounds, and even worse, on non-existent evidence, than was presented in the courtroom.

I’ve seen this sort of behavior at this level, just once before in 40 years at the bar. I had a case in federal court in D.C. asking Judge Stanley Sporkin to enforce the 27th Amendment. That was called the Madison Amendment because James Madison wrote it as part of the Bill of Rights in 1789. But it was not declared ratified by Congress until 1992.

Judge Sporkin did not want to enforce the Amendment against the current Congress. His way of avoiding that was a rambling discourse on congressional corruption, which he had witnessed as an intern, 30 years before. In his decision he wrote that he saw Members of Congress accept cash in plain brown envelopes.

There were three fatal problems with his decision. The pleadings said nothing about corruption in Congress. No one presented any evidence on that subject. Lastly, what any judge pulls out of his/her personal memory is not evidence presented in court and subject to cross examination.

The Court of Appeals did not deal with Judge Sporkin’s non-judicial decision openly, by throwing it out. It tap-danced around his errors by ignoring his opinion and writing a brand-new decision on different grounds. In the case of Judge Bolton’s non-judicial decision, not even that mild corrective is likely from the Court of Appeals.

This case goes next to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco. Not only is that the most reversed Circuit of all, it is reversed more often than all the other Appeals Courts taken together. So, it is likely the next decision on the Arizona law will be just as bad as the first one. The final word, however, will be in the US Supreme Court, where one can hope that five Justices will take the Constitution seriously.

Here are the provisions Judge Bolton said were preempted by federal law: to determine the immigration status of someone already lawfully stopped, if there is reasonable suspicion they are illegal. (This is identical to federal law.) To make it a crime not to carry alien registration papers. (Also, identical to federal law.) To make it a crime for illegal aliens to work in Arizona. (It is already illegal for illegals to work anywhere in the US, including Arizona.) To authorize the arrest of anyone where there is probable cause to believe they have committed a deportable offense. (Again, identical to federal law.)

The court then analyses the Arizona law, point by point. Anyone arrested, or legally detained, under the state law “shall be presumed NOT to be an illegal alien,” if they have valid state, tribal, or federal ID papers with them. The court then ignores the language of the law, and reads it to mean that EVERYONE’s status must be checked. Then the court determines that this false reading would overburden the status-checking offices of the federal government.

The court does not note the irony in the federal argument that even legitimate requests for alien identification would “overburden” federal officials. To note the irony would prevent the court from ruling against a state law, because the federal government is incompetent at its chosen tasks.

The court never deals with the point that state and local authorities do have the authority to enforce federal immigration determinations, as long as they do not exceed the requirements of federal law. Several federal decisions around the country approve of precisely this result.

The court then offers as proof of the preemption of state law, that the federal government has been extremely lax in enforcement of laws against employment of illegals, and the use of false documents by illegals. The idea that federal incompetence requires all state and local governments to match its incompetence, has no support in prior cases.




Real America Did Not Sue Arizona

The very argument that Arizona is “usurping federal law,” on which the Holder case was fabricated, lends credence to the fact that, at one time, national concern over the illegal invasion was sufficient to establish and implement federal statutes to accomplish the very thing Arizona is now attempting to do.

Were federal officials determinedly and diligently confronting the influx of illegal invaders, Arizona law enforcement operations in this jurisdiction might well be perceived as an unnecessary interference. But, of course, nothing of the kind is happening in the Grand Canyon State. Federal enforcement has been purposefully nonexistent. And it was for that very reason that Arizona took upon itself the task of dealing with the invasion.

Holder, in his flowery opposition to SB 1070, engaged in the most blatant degree of deceit imaginable. In a purely political venture, the head of the United States Department of Justice sent his team of lawyers into a courtroom armed with outright lies, but comfortable nevertheless with the fact that such would be sufficient for Bolton to “rule” in their favor.
 

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