Activist Judge Blocks Arizona SB1070

So? She's still basing her conclusion on the burden that this law is placing on legal aliens, which is contrived bs to support a political view. It's activism, regardless of the fact that it was your only concern in this matter and you amazingly departed that tack to take on the political points.

Interesting that you keep posting the points of a Clinton appointee to tell me about how procedural this whole thing was. Even more interesting that you had to call me a redneck in the midst of all your objectivity. Crazy the way that just flew out of you. Think it might be a male goose issue?
 
So if I don't have my "papers," then the state gov't should be able to hold me for as long as it wants till it, the state, deems me legal?

Obviously the Tucson case proves that this happened to 36,000 LEGAL immigrants and legal citizens.

if you commit a crime and they can't figure out who you are then you should just be set free?

you also fail to mention that the people of AZ are overwhelmingly in support of this bill
 
clearly little. Citing her own points to give her opinion merit is akin to citing Bible verses to support the creation story.

Did you actually read the gibberish you posted? Do you really want a judge making decisions who took any of that as preemptive to federal law?

The size of the reach made here says the author did not care about the message or the content, just that she had an excuse to do what our chief legal clowns wanted.

Your analogy makes no sense.

She cited legal precedent to show reasonable cause that the state law pre empts federal law.

Don't you want law based on precedent?

And how is she quoting herself? I don't follow?
 
So if I don't have my "papers," then the state gov't should be able to hold me for as long as it wants till it, the state, deems me legal?

Obviously the Tucson case proves that this happened to 36,000 LEGAL immigrants and legal citizens.

what legal american law abiding citizen can't prove legality within at most an hour? we do have computers you know. and the tuscon case seems to have to do with people who were ARRESTED, not stopped for crossing the street or some other garbage.
 
I didn't post the full text. I posted the part relevant to the quoted "law."

English is gibberish to you? Perhaps, I should check your papers, or test your language skills to see if you belong here.

maybe some context clues would help you. I used the term gibberish to hint at using legalese to hide a politically motivated legal argument.

Perhaps you should stick to your cloak of objectivity.
 
Here's what the judge wrote:

""Requiring Arizona law enforcement officials and agencies to determine theimmigration status of every person who is arrested burdens lawfully-present aliens because their liberty will be restricted while their status is checked. Given the large number of people
who are technically “arrested” but never booked into jail or perhaps even transported to a law enforcement facility, detention time for this category of arrestee will certainly be extended during an immigration status verification. (See Escobar, et al. v. City of Tucson, et al., No. CV 10-249-TUC-SRB, Doc. 9, City of Tucson’s Answer & Cross-cl., ¶ 38 (stating that during
fiscal year 2009, Tucson used the cite-and-release procedure provided by A.R.S. § 13-3903
to “arrest” and immediately release 36,821 people).)


And:

"The United States contends that the impact on lawfully-present aliens of the
requirement that law enforcement officials, where practicable, check the immigration status
of a person lawfully stopped, detained, or arrested where there is reasonable suspicion that the
person is an alien and is unlawfully present will be exacerbated by several factors. (Id. at 28-
29.) First, the United States suggests that the impact on lawfully-present aliens is enhanced
because this requirement applies to stops for even very minor, non-criminal violations of state
law, including jaywalking, failing to have a dog on a leash, or riding a bicycle on the
sidewalk. (Id. at 28.) Also, the United States argues that the impact will be increased because
other provisions in S.B. 1070 put pressure on law enforcement agencies and officials to
enforce the immigration laws vigorously.10 (Id. at 29.)
Hines cautions against imposing burdens on lawfully-present aliens such as those
described above. See 312 U.S. at 73-74. Legal residents will certainly be swept up by this
requirement, particularly when the impacts of the provisions pressuring law enforcement agencies to enforce immigration laws are considered. See A.R.S. § 11-1051(A), (H). Certain
categories of people with transitional status and foreign visitors from countries that are part
of the Visa Waiver Program will not have readily available documentation of their
authorization to remain in the United States, thus potentially subjecting them to arrest or
detention, in addition to the burden of “the possibility of inquisitorial practices and police
surveillance.” Hines, 312 U.S. at 74. In Hines, the Supreme Court emphasized the important
federal responsibility to maintain international relationships, for the protection of American
citizens abroad as well as to ensure uniform national foreign policy. Id. at 62-66; see also
Zadvydas v. Davis, 533 U.S. 678, 700 (2001) (“We recognize . . . the Nation’s need to ‘speak
with one voice’ in immigration matters.”). The United States asserts, and the Court agrees,
that “the federal government has long rejected a system by which aliens’ papers are routinely
demanded and checked.” (Pl.’s Mot. at 26.)11 The Court finds that this requirement imposes
an unacceptable burden on lawfully-present aliens.

8 The Visa Waiver Program permits visitors from certain countries to enter the United States
without a visa, so long as various requirements are met. See, e.g., 8 U.S.C. § 1187; 8 C.F.R.
§§ 217.1-217.7.
9 Also, upon a check with LESC or a federally-authorized state official, the status of a United
States citizen might not be easily confirmable as many people born in the United States likely
do not have an entry in a DHS database.
10 These provisions include Sections 2(A) and 2(H), which, respectively, prohibit agencies
from restricting the enforcement of immigration laws and create a private right of action for
legal residents to sue agencies if they believe the laws are not being enforced aggressively
enough.
-
"

Que John Roberts.

Look for the USSC to reach down and grab this one. You heard it here, first.
 
if you commit a crime and they can't figure out who you are then you should just be set free?

you also fail to mention that the people of AZ are overwhelmingly in support of this bill

1) Huh? Who says that?

and

2) Who cares if the people are overwhelmingly in favor of it? If the people want are overwhelmingly in favor of stringing up all Jewish people, should that be legal too?
 
So if I don't have my "papers," then the state gov't should be able to hold me for as long as it wants till it, the state, deems me legal?

Obviously the Tucson case proves that this happened to 36,000 LEGAL immigrants and legal citizens.

The federal government does this all the time. How is this any different than what is on the books?

The irony is that all it took is passing the law and the threat of other states doing it to get many of the illegals to leave. Hopefully more legislatures will keep doing this and just the thought of it will cause illegals to go back voluntarily.
 
Que John Roberts.

Look for the USSC to reach down and grab this one. You heard it here, first.

That's fine. If the Roberts court can find legal precedent that supercedes the Hines case and the Tucson case, then it can stand, but there's a lot of precedent there.

The burden will be high.
 
2) Who cares if the people are overwhelmingly in favor of it? If the people want are overwhelmingly in favor of stringing up all Jewish people, should that be legal too?

Stringing up Jewish people? Seriously? This is your rebuttal? You're comparing stringing up Jewish people for no reason to sending illegals back across a border? Is this the extent of your intellect and ability to debate logically?
 
1) Huh? Who says that?

and

2) Who cares if the people are overwhelmingly in favor of it? If the people want are overwhelmingly in favor of stringing up all Jewish people, should that be legal too?

1) you seemed to imply it

So if I don't have my "papers," then the state gov't should be able to hold me for as long as it wants till it, the state, deems me legal?
2) the legal immigrants care and they don't think it causes a hardship. Seems a judge disagrees. Also, did the Jewish people you mention willfully ignore US laws?
 
Your analogy makes no sense.

can't help you. Your objectivity must keep you from reading clearly slanted commentary.

She cited legal precedent to show reasonable cause that the state law pre empts federal law.

no she did not. She simply applied the words and tossed out the precedent, but in no way did she marry the two.

Don't you want law based on precedent?

Don't care how we get it, just that we do and it be the right thing to do.

And how is she quoting herself? I don't follow?

you're doing the quoting. Your quoting the woman who gave the opinion to help justify said woman's opinion. Hence the above analogy that your objectivity made incomprehensible to you.

see bold
 
The federal government does this all the time. How is this any different than what is on the books?

The irony is that all it took is passing the law and the threat of other states doing it to get many of the illegals to leave. Hopefully more legislatures will keep doing this and just the thought of it will cause illegals to go back voluntarily.

The Feds can hold you if you don't have your immigration papers. That's the whole point.

Got stats to show that illegal immigration is slowing down due to this law?
 
1) Huh? Who says that?

your quoting a study as proof of discrimination that showed verifying legal residence for people that commit crimes makes criminals stay in jail longer. it's a legit question to ask why you favor letting criminals go free before we know who they are and where thier legal residence is.
 
That's fine. If the Roberts court can find legal precedent that supercedes the Hines case and the Tucson case, then it can stand, but there's a lot of precedent there.

The burden will be high.

Yes because precedent has ever stopped activist judges.
 
Got stats to show that illegal immigration is slowing down due to this law?

plenty of stories out there to show they're getting the hell out of AZ. Where they going to go if all states took the same approach?
 
The Feds can hold you if you don't have your immigration papers. That's the whole point.

and once again in your opinion the feds should let people go who commit crimes without knowing who they are? and if the feds can't verify your citizenship what do you think that means exactly? hell a traffic cop with a computer can verify my citizenship without my drivers licence in under 10 miinutes.
 
and once again in your opinion the feds should let people go who commit crimes without knowing who they are?

apparently, the burden of providing a valid ID is just overbearing on legal immigrants. Just overwhelming I tell you.
 
The Feds can hold you if you don't have your immigration papers. That's the whole point.

Got stats to show that illegal immigration is slowing down due to this law?

So you are saying the states cannot do what the feds do? The states cannot assist in enforcing federal statutes? The states must not touch anything federal? Well that just erases quite a bit of 'precedent' as you say and actually opens up a huge vacuum on many fronts.

As far as it goes in AZ? Yep. Empty apartments, quiet stores, etc. Even the leftist media is verifying a return back across the border or to friendlier states.
 

can't help you. Your objectivity must keep you from reading clearly slanted commentary.


You need to learn to write more clearly. Subj + Verb + obj. "Jane likes cake." Very clear.


She cited legal precedent to show reasonable cause that the state law pre empts federal law.

no she did not. She simply applied the words and tossed out the precedent, but in no way did she marry the two.


Ok, then. She provides the Hines case and the Tucson case, but that's not precedent?

Jesus. That's like me handing you a steak and you telling me that is not food.

Don't you want law based on precedent?

Don't care how we get it, just that we do and it be the right thing to do.

And how is she quoting herself? I don't follow?

you're doing the quoting. Your quoting the woman who gave the opinion to help justify said woman's opinion. Hence the above analogy that your objectivity made incomprehensible to you.


That's called providing textual evidence.

You provide the law: "Insert law." I provide her response to the law: "insert response."
 
plenty of stories out there to show they're getting the hell out of AZ. Where they going to go if all states took the same approach?


Sure, if we pass a law in Alabama that says we will find all the black people and then hang them, they would leave too.

If we pass a law that says we shall kill all the Jews in the state of Tennessee, then they would leave.

But you still have provided no evidence that illegal immigrants are leaving.

and why do they bother you so much.

Do you run into them much?
 

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