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VOLS INC. said:
I agree it’s a slippery slope argument.


But if VN was around in the early to mid-90s and we were debating abortion, the mantra back then was “Safe, legal, and rare”.

@VolinWayne may have stated “Yeah. Safe legal and rare now. But in 20 years people will be screaming, Abortion On Demand and Without Apology”. And he would have been right.

Abortion and Pedophilia are 2 separate issues. But anticipating the continued moral decay of our society isn’t fear-mongering, it’s an act of wisdom.
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Except he would have been dead f#*king wrong. Abortions peaked in 1990 and have been on the decline ever since. The argument sucked then and it sucks now.
 
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McDad said:
Why should bestiality and necrophilia be illegal when the act doesn't violate another person's rights?
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Interesting question. What is kink?

To some it may be a playful spank or anything other than good ole fashioned, God approved, missionary.

To others it may be way out at the other end where we get into some infamous philia’s like referenced above.

Where does kink end, and crime begin?
 
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NashVol11 said:
Lol at this post. “Yes, Republicans just started freaking out about drag shows in like 2022, but the gay community has been transphobic for years! Just look at this Daily Wire article!”
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Such an uncomprehending response.
I'll draw it out for you; it has nothing to do with 'transphobia' and everything to do with two points; the LGB community is based upon sexuality, not gender as is the TQ community. Neither does the LGB community want to be associated with the militant TQ bent on screwing with the minds and bodies of chidlren. Further, they object to being termed 'transphobic' for lesbians not wanting relations with trans-'women', nor gays wanting relations with trans-'men'. Many, such as Jenner, also recognize that men competing with women is abuse, as well as opposing puberty-blockers and gender surgery for children; is Jenner transphobic'?

Do you share Jenner's concerns or not? No one literally gave a shite about drag shows until they involved children.
So it isn't about drag shows but a screeching - and increasingly dangerous - militant TQ contingent that has slipped the restraints of decency & propriety, biological science, even among the LGB community, when it comes to children.

Here's another transphobe for you since you don't like the Dailywire, Heritage, or Twitchy:
Lucía Martínez, an assistant professor of English at Reed College,” posted a comment on an article about the Peirce shutdown in which she confessed that these students terrify her.

“I am intimidated by these students,” she wrote. “I am scared to teach courses on race, gender, or sexuality, or even texts that bring these issues up in any way—and I am a gay mixed-race woman. There is a serious problem here and at other [selective liberal arts colleges], and I’m at a loss as to how to begin to address it, especially since many of these students don’t believe in either historicity or objective facts.” LGB vs. T: How the trans issue is dividing a movement | The College Fix

Or: Trans debate rages around the world, pitting LGBT+ community against itself
Last year, a group called Get the L Out staged a protest against what they saw as “lesbian erasure” – or lesbians being written out of history – at the beginning of London’s annual Pride march.

“The only way to fight lesbian erasure within ‘LGBT+’ groups is to... create an autonomous and strong lesbian community and build alliances with all feminists willing to fight against male domination,” a spokeswoman said in an email.

In New Zealand, a lesbian group said on Wednesday that it had been banned from Wellington Pride on Saturday for “not being inclusive enough” of trans people. Now, that's not LGB-phobes tossing lesbians out of a Pride event, but lesbians who don't want to fk trans-'women' who are largely still sexually attracted to women. And in the United States, lesbian activist Julia Beck was last year voted off the Baltimore city LGBTQ commission after clashes with fellow commissioners over trans issues.

I can literally do this all day.
Maybe you need to get out more before throwing the term transphobic around, or understand the basis of the debate.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Interesting question. What is kink?

To some it may be a playful spank or anything other than good ole fashioned, God approved, missionary.

To others it may be way out at the other end where we get into some infamous philia’s like referenced above.

Where does kink end, and crime begin?
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If our society is in a post judeo-christian morals era when sex / sexuality are concerned, we have to ask these types of questions. Bestiality, necrophilia, and any other previously-abhorrent behavior must fall into the 'live and let live' file because the behavior doesn't violate the rights of another person. To separate kink from crime we can only look at the question of harm, and violated rights of another living person.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
I agree it’s a slippery slope argument.


But if VN was around in the early to mid-90s and we were debating abortion, the mantra back then was “Safe, legal, and rare”.

@VolinWayne may have stated “Yeah. Safe legal and rare now. But in 20 years people will be screaming, Abortion On Demand and Without Apology”. And he would have been right.

Abortion and Pedophilia are 2 separate issues. But anticipating the continued moral decay of our society isn’t fear-mongering, it’s an act of wisdom.
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Moral decay has been ever present. It was just covered up before.
 
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McDad said:
If our society is in a post judeo-christian morals era when sex / sexuality are concerned, we have to ask these types of questions. Bestiality, necrophilia, and any other previously-abhorrent behavior must fall into the 'live and let live' file because the behavior doesn't violate the rights of another person. To separate kink from crime we can only look at the question of harm, and violated rights of another living person.
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I’m a pretty staunch advocate for “do whatever the F you want, as long as you don’t harm others”
 
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85SugarVol said:
I’m a pretty staunch advocate for “do whatever the F you want, as long as you don’t harm others”
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I disagree with that stance personally. They are things people do which bring harm to the person doing them over the long term.
But, I do not see how any reasonable person can fight against that stance as public policy, especially considering where our society is.
 
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McDad said:
If our society is in a post judeo-christian morals era when sex / sexuality are concerned, we have to ask these types of questions. Bestiality, necrophilia, and any other previously-abhorrent behavior must fall into the 'live and let live' file because the behavior doesn't violate the rights of another person. To separate kink from crime we can only look at the question of harm, and violated rights of another living person.
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Going back to your unnatural desire to molest my corpse. Wouldn’t doing so violate the rights of my wife who would be the only living person able to provide consent?
 
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McDad said:
I disagree with that stance personally. They are things people do which bring harm to the person doing them over the long term.
But, I do not see how any reasonable person can fight against that stance as public policy, especially considering where our society is.
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There are certainly very self destructive behaviors that people engage in.

But if we prohibit those behaviors, are we not curbing freedom “for their own good”?
 
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hog88 said:
Going back to your unnatural desire to molest my corpse. Wouldn’t doing so violate the rights of my wife who would be the only living person able to provide consent?
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If your rights are transferable to her, yes. If she has rights over your corpse, yes.

If she doesn't know your corpse has been used sexually, she isn't harmed and you cannot be harmed because you no longer exist.
 
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85SugarVol said:
There are certainly very self destructive behaviors that people engage in.

But if we prohibit those behaviors, are we not curbing freedom “for their own good”?
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We are. That is why I delineated between my personal and public view.
 
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McDad said:
If your rights are transferable to her, yes. If she has rights over your corpse, yes.

If she doesn't know your corpse has been used sexually, she isn't harmed and you cannot be harmed because you no longer exist.
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It does give food for thought.
 
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hog88 said:
It does give food for thought.
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It does. And to further the concepts, we have to reconsider all "vices". Prostitution, gambling, drug use, etc. If we are truly in favor of people living their sexuality no matter how odd to the judeo-christian model, then we have to favor all the pathways in the pursuit of happiness (as long as it doesn't violate other's rights or bring them harm).
 
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McDad said:
It does. And to further the concepts, we have to reconsider all "vices". Prostitution, gambling, drug use, etc. If we are truly in favor of people living their sexuality no matter how odd to the judeo-christian model, then we have to favor all the pathways in the pursuit of happiness (as long as it doesn't violate other's rights or bring them harm).
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Precisely.

It’s why I 100% support any legal, consenting adult choosing to remove their fully functioning arm in pursuit of finding a little more joy and happiness in this life.

I also support any Dr telling them to go find someone else to cut it off.
 
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McDad said:
It does. And to further the concepts, we have to reconsider all "vices". Prostitution, gambling, drug use, etc. If we are truly in favor of people living their sexuality no matter how odd to the judeo-christian model, then we have to favor all the pathways in the pursuit of happiness (as long as it doesn't violate other's rights or bring them harm).
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I tend to agree, we would just have to strictly define harm.
 
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