Afghanistan

#26
#26
BeecherVol said:
He wants to send 30,000 troops, (when 40,000 was requested) months after they were requested, and then start withdrawing in 18 months?

I guess I should not expect anything more out of him.
Wow!
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As he pointed out last night, the problem with that criticism is that the request was for the troops to be placed there not immediately but in 2010, which is what he's doing.
 
#27
#27
lawgator1 said:
As he pointed out last night, the problem with that criticism is that the request was for the troops to be placed there not immediately but in 2010, which is what he's doing.
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And then start bringing them home 18 months later?

What does he expect that to accomplish?

Other than appeasing the far left, that wants all of our troops to leave both fronts.

He is behind fighting terrorism, about as much as I am about my taxes going up.
 
#28
#28
lawgator1 said:
As he pointed out last night, the problem with that criticism is that the request was for the troops to be placed there not immediately but in 2010, which is what he's doing.
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Im not sure I believe what he said about the date anyway. If he had made the decision when he should have, we would be 3 months ahead of schedule. Im sure the General was expecting to get them months after the decision was made, just not sure he expected Obama to take 3 months to make up his mind.

Has more to do with Politics, than war strategy. Thus the, we will start withdrawing in 18 months.
 
#29
#29
BeecherVol said:
Im not sure I believe what he said about the date anyway. If he had made the decision when he should have, we would be 3 months ahead of schedule. Im sure the General was expecting to get them months after the decision was made, just not sure he expected Obama to take 3 months to make up his mind.

Has more to do with Politics, than war strategy. Thus the, we will start withdrawing in 18 months.
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Ohhhhh..... not a good comment from someone who supported Bush and Cheney.
 
#30
#30
BeecherVol said:
Im not sure I believe what he said about the date anyway. If he had made the decision when he should have, we would be 3 months ahead of schedule. Im sure the General was expecting to get them months after the decision was made, just not sure he expected Obama to take 3 months to make up his mind.

Has more to do with Politics, than war strategy. Thus the, we will start withdrawing in 18 months.
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by the time all the soldiers get there, 18 months will be over.
 
#31
#31
lawgator1 said:
Ohhhhh..... not a good comment from someone who supported Bush and Cheney.
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Actually, it is.

Kinda depends on what you believe in. Protecting our freedoms, and way of life. Or appeasing terrorists, and their acts. This president is choosing the second option.

Obama will eventually pull out of both wars. And the enemy will sit until he does. The war on terror will still be there, and until we elect another president, that is willing to acknowledge it, it will do nothing but grow stronger.

He has already expressed his feelings on the matter with the Ft. Hood terroristattack, and the 9/11 terrorists trial. Not surprising really.
 
#33
#33
Anybody catch his statement last night about how we are freer if we help make others in the world more free? I swear he was channeling W. Never thought I'd hear him claim the U.S. should exert it's resources and is better off if we attempt to help others become free.
 
#34
#34
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#36
#36
I read somewhere that we've been in Afghanistan longer than we were in Vietnam. One fiftieth of the casualties, though (not to minimize the loss of life).
 
#37
#37
I would like to know where are all of the code pink and other anti-war protests that were held daily during Bush's term? We are still in Iraq, Afghanistan and Gitmo is still open, where is all of the outrage by the far-left?
 
#39
#39
IPorange said:
I read somewhere that we've been in Afghanistan longer than we were in Vietnam. One fiftieth of the casualties, though (not to minimize the loss of life).
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I thought we were there from 61-75?

I could very well be wrong, but I know our last troops left in 75.
 
#40
#40
volfanjustin said:
I would like to know where are all of the code pink and other anti-war protests that were held daily during Bush's term? We are still in Iraq, Afghanistan and Gitmo is still open, where is all of the outrage by the far-left?
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as long as Obama can stand in front of a teleprompter and say that everything is Bush's fault, the far left groups like Code Pink and International ANSWER stay in their caves and wring their hands.
 
#42
#42
volfanjustin said:
I would like to know where are all of the code pink and other anti-war protests that were held daily during Bush's term? We are still in Iraq, Afghanistan and Gitmo is still open, where is all of the outrage by the far-left?
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Most of those protests were being funded by pro-socialism groups. Sadly, the funding appears to have dried up... :)
 
#44
#44
volinbham said:
Heard the stat today. 104 combat months vs 103 total for Vietnam.

It is the longest war (measured this way) in U.S. history.

Casualties are just over 1000.
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It's casualty numbers like those that make June 6, 1944 numbers so hard to grasp. I've heard Allied casualty estimates as high as 10,000 with as many as 3,000 being fatalities. One DAY.
 
#45
#45
hndog609 said:
It's casualty numbers like those that make June 6, 1944 numbers so hard to grasp. I've heard Allied casualty estimates as high as 10,000 with as many as 3,000 being fatalities. One DAY.
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That shows the extreme differences in warfare from then til now. Is hard to grasp.
 
#49
#49
Karzai has fired two top officials who were unpopular with the Taliban.


But Saleh and Atmar, who were popular among American officials, were not necessarily on the same page as Karzai when it came to reintegrating Taliban into Afghan society.
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Saleh, who was from the only province the Taliban never conquered, will be replaced by longtime Karzai aide Engineer Ibrahim Speenzada, whose ethnicity is the same as the vast majority of the Taliban.
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Atmar's replacement is his deputy, Gen. Muneer Mangal. In the 1980s, both Atmar and Mangal fought against mujahedeen fighters, many of whom would later become Taliban leaders. But after the mujahedeen took control of Kandahar, Mangal handed over government weapons to their commander, earning at least a small level of trust with future Taliban leaders, according to former senior officials in Kandahar.
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American officials have described them as key figures in the attempt to raise the efficiency of the Karzai government and reduce corruption.
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Just two weeks ago, Saleh accused Pakistan's premiere spy agency, the Inter-Services Directorate, or ISI, of training a suicide bomber who killed four Western colonels in Kabul in May.
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We won't be a hell of a lot better off after we are done in Afghanistan, that is if we ever get done.
 
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