after this showing,will we get some more commits

#53
#53
kptvol said:
We just signed a top 10 recruiting class after our worst season in history. You act like we need to win a BCS bowl to get a decent class. Showing even moderate improvement will bode very well for UT on signing day.
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Miami has signed a few solid classes, in fact they've generally done better than UT over the past few years. They still suck.

I wasn't talking about recruiting though, all SEC teams recruit well. I was just saying it's tough to say UT has turned the table after the first game of the season in which they played a team in their first season as a D-1 squad. I'll wait until after next week to judge.
 
#54
#54
Mos Def said:
Miami has signed a few solid classes, in fact they've generally done better than UT over the past few years. They still suck.

I wasn't talking about recruiting though, all SEC teams recruit well. I was just saying it's tough to say UT has turned the table after the first game of the season in which they played a team in their first season as a D-1 squad. I'll wait until after next week to judge.
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The lowest UT offensive assistant is better than anyone on Miami's offensive staff.
 
#55
#55
Mos Def said:
Miami has signed a few solid classes, in fact they've generally done better than UT over the past few years. They still suck.
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There can be no comparison between Miami and UT. Our staff is so much better than Miami's it isn't even funny...
 
#56
#56
Lord Vader said:
There can be no comparison between Miami and UT. Our staff is so much better than Miami's it isn't even funny...
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I agree, but my point was just because you have talent doesn't mean you'll be a strong team. LSU is another example.
 
#57
#57
Mos, Kiffin on gameday said he expects a number 1 class this year.

He can only pass LSU and Texas and Florida and Ohio State due to:

Knowing that Gran, Orgeron, Lance Thompson etc have some surprises up their sleeves,
Knowing that he can offer early playing time and point to all the kids he is playing as true freshmen this season
Knowing that lots of stud players desire to be a part of what is "hot" and they are sick of hearing about Tebow.

Tennessee is a team that will give lots of praise to lots of guys even as they promote Berry for the Heisman. We win 9 games this year and I promise there will be no hotter school for recruits. 5 wins to 9 wins, come on to our school and bring us to championships...
 
#58
#58
MikeHamiltonFan said:
Mos, Kiffin on gameday said he expects a number 1 class this year.

He can only pass LSU and Texas and Florida and Ohio State due to:

Knowing that Gran, Orgeron, Lance Thompson etc have some surprises up their sleeves,
Knowing that he can offer early playing time and point to all the kids he is playing as true freshmen this season
Knowing that lots of stud players desire to be a part of what is "hot" and they are sick of hearing about Tebow.

Tennessee is a team that will give lots of praise to lots of guys even as they promote Berry for the Heisman. We win 9 games this year and I promise there will be no hotter school for recruits. 5 wins to 9 wins, come on to our school and bring us to championships...
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Or he could just be talking out the side of his neck.

Tebow is leaving after this year so that's pretty much irrelevant.

UT isn't anywhere close to being the hottest school for recruits. There are three or four teams that compete to hold that title and UT isn't one of em. Not even close. Bama, LSU, UF, and USC. UT is going to have to do a lot of winning to compete with those 4.
 
#59
#59
Mos Def said:
Or he could just be talking out the side of his neck.

Tebow is leaving after this year so that's pretty much irrelevant.

UT isn't anywhere close to being the hottest school for recruits. There are three or four teams that compete to hold that title and UT isn't one of em. Not even close. Bama, LSU, UF, and USC. UT is going to have to do a lot of winning to compete with those 4.
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Bama jumped into that group after only 1 season. If Bama can do it we can.
 
#60
#60
Mos Def said:
Or he could just be talking out the side of his neck.

Tebow is leaving after this year so that's pretty much irrelevant.

UT isn't anywhere close to being the hottest school for recruits. There are three or four teams that compete to hold that title and UT isn't one of em. Not even close. Bama, LSU, UF, and USC. UT is going to have to do a lot of winning to compete with those 4.
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Well I know bout that.... Last I heard Coach O was not too proud of his upbringing.
 
#61
#61
Mos Def said:
Or he could just be talking out the side of his neck.

Tebow is leaving after this year so that's pretty much irrelevant.

UT isn't anywhere close to being the hottest school for recruits. There are three or four teams that compete to hold that title and UT isn't one of em. Not even close. Bama, LSU, UF, and USC. UT is going to have to do a lot of winning to compete with those 4.
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Dumb and wrong. LSU is a recruiting powerhouse due to their location. Chavis D looked awful at Washington and if we throttle UCLA we will look a lot better to west coast players than they do.

Yes it is hard to beat USC for a Cali kid, Florida for a Florida kid, Bama for a Bama kid and LSU for a kid from the Bayou.

I am talking about being hot nationally. I am talking about being in the top 3 for most of the non committed 4 and 5 stars on Scout and Rivals.

TN got Bryce Brown after a 5 win season with a totally new staff. A 9 win season this year, and the number 1 class will be ours. Kiffin will have better results after his first season than Saban the midget did after his first year when he got to 7 wins. Like Saban he will promise NFL level player development and he will promise early playing time due to talent depletion at key positions.

We will get a top recruiting class. Watch and learn.
 
#62
#62
The sad part is people get to wrapped up in what a class ranks. It really doesn't matter if you are the number one class as long as you finish in the top five. What a kid does in HS means squat if they can't do it in college. The statement about selling early playing can only work once because after freahman play that their first year than that usually means that four years are locked up for players coming in. It is great to play true freshman but like Saban, Kiffin does it because he has to not because he wants to. We had one of the best classes for 2009 and not one freshman made it past the third string to start the season.

I think what will set Kiffin apart from Fulmer is that he is not concerned with class rankings as much as he is concerned with bringing players based on positional needs. He looks at what he needs and goes after it. That is what will win games at UT and Kiffin knows that, not some ranked class but playmakers on both sides of the ball.
 
#64
#64
I also think that Kiffin & Co. will impress many fans with who they bring in for 2010. Not because what they did in 2009. To be honest they got lucky with some of the recruits they got as well as UT got lucky with the timing of the hiring of Kiffin & Co. B Brown was a great p/u but he also fell into their lap, because of the issue of the investigation prior to signing day. Kiffin took a chance and it payed off. It is nice to be in his place, plus he hadn't nothing to loose. Nuke was also a great add, but it didn't destroy UF like some fans want to believe it did. Him and Teague were sold on the fact that these new coaches were motivated and they could play early.

They had some luck in the spring with recruiting, but now they have the time to compete with other coaches with equal opportunity to do so. Combined with how they do on the field, I think the coaches will bring in a great class that will fill many needs. I do not think they will get a number class. Does that mean they wont get a great class though no, because who cares what players are ranked what. All three of the services rank the players different and even if they have the potential to be great they have to have the coaching to get there. Great example is look at UGA and LSU. Great classes but what has the coaches done with them once they got them. I think Kiffin & Co. can demonstrate they can coach talent and the potential so the players will come.

In the hands of a great coach a #10 ranked prospect out of college in a specific position can be just as good as the #1 prospect in the same position. Talent has to nutured and developed to go to the next level.
 
#67
#67
TideWarrior said:
after freahman play that their first year than that usually means that four years are locked up for players coming in. It is great to play true freshman but like Saban, Kiffin does it because he has to not because he wants to.
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Somewhat true, but really it's more like 2 years. 1 year will be over by the time that guy gets to campus and then that guy will probably go pro after his junior season. If the recruit is good enough, he'll still get spot duty in the meantime. One thing that's good is that we play a lot of players at each position. Pretty much every position Saturday had a really good rotation going except QB.
 
#68
#68
Mos Def said:
Saban is a better coach than Lane...
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Right. He really showed that with his 6-win season and total lack of preparation in last year's bowl game. I'm sure recruits are only heading there because they think he's a superstar. For the record, he's a good coach and an excellent recruiter. However, if Bama has more recruiting power than UT, it isn't by much.
 
#69
#69
kptvol said:
Right. He really showed that with his 6-win season and total lack of preparation in last year's bowl game. I'm sure recruits are only heading there because they think he's a superstar. For the record, he's a good coach and an excellent recruiter. However, if Bama has more recruiting power than UT, it isn't by much.
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Ok... I have a question. Do UF, and USC have more recruiting power than UT?
 
#71
#71
Mos Def said:
Ok... I have a question. Do UF, and USC have more recruiting power than UT?
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Yes and they will always have a built in geographic advantage.

So does Texas.

Those 3 schools and literally only those should be able to say that they have a big advantage over UT, and LSU may have a slight one. UM and Ohio State show what can happen when a historic program with great tradition and recruiting drops off some. TN can go head to head with most schools and win at this point. You cannot pull a Mormon away from BYU (and that program looks to be only getting stronger) and you cannot pull a Catholic from ND and you cannot pull a homestater away from his home state but other than that we will compete for every recruit we want.
 
#72
#72
kptvol said:
Yes. Some of that is due to location, however. Once UT has some success, the gap will close a lot.
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I honestly don't believe any team will surpass USC in recruiting power, they have no competition out west for elite recruits. UF, a close second has a chance at surpassing USC but we'll have to start bringing in recruits like Ronald Powell. If Bama continues winning and Saban stays then they'll be a National power year in and year out.

UT will have to consistently be BCS bound in order have as much recruiting power as the above three.
 
#73
#73
Mos Def said:
UT will have to consistently be BCS bound in order have as much recruiting power as the above three.
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Not if we hang onto the majority of our staff. We have the best recruiting staff in the nation.
 
#74
#74
kptvol said:
Not if we hang onto the majority of our staff. We have the best recruiting staff in the nation.
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That's laughable. Bama, Southern Cal, Florida, and sadly LSU, have the best recruiting staffs in the nation. Year in and year out they bring in elite classes, UT will have to do a lot more before being able to make that claim.
 
#75
#75
Mos Def said:
That's laughable. Bama, Southern Cal, Florida, and sadly LSU, have the best recruiting staffs in the nation. Year in and year out they bring in elite classes, UT will have to do a lot more before being able to make that claim.
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As a staff, UT's had only been there for 3 months and pulled a top 10. I believe I'll give them this full year and see. If they do it again, you may have to rethink your statement.
 
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