Again, why did we not call timeout for a play?!

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Stallings has a depleted, lesser talented Vandy team winning games at a higher rate the second half of the season than UT and many other SEC schools.

Coaching matters.

Use of time outs has been an issue for 3 years. Bad D has been an issue all year. Erratic shooting has been an issue for 3 years. Inability to penetrate a zone D has been an issue all year. Having no natural PG has been an issue for 3 years. Not working the officials with passion has been an issue for 3 years. Not switching defenses when match-ups were troublesome or to spark the team has been an issue for 3 years.

Enough. End it. Start over.
 
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Vols4us said:
Stallings has a depleted, lesser talented Vandy team winning games at a higher rate the second half of the season than UT and many other SEC schools.

Coaching matters.

Use of time outs has been an issue for 3 years. Bad D has been an issue all year. Erratic shooting has been an issue for 3 years. Inability to penetrate a zone D has been an issue all year. Having no natural PG has been an issue for 3 years. Not working the officials with passion has been an issue for 3 years. Not switching defenses when match-ups were troublesome or to spark the team has been an issue for 3 years.

Enough. End it. Start over.
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Yep, I hate Stallings because he is a complete jackass. He has done more with less this year but a lot of times will do less with more. He doesn't have the bench to scare his team so they are playing more loose this year.

If I knew Martin could've drawn up a play to get a shot then I would've rather him taken the timeout. However, we know that's not the case. We would've dribbled the clock down and jacked up a 3. I have more issues with him taking stupid timeouts like after we make a 3 and are on a run than at the end of the game.

I also have issues with his substitution patterns. We played dead in the first half and Moore only got 7 minutes of total court time. The highest energy guy on the team and he only plays 7 total minutes? That is what boggles the mind.

Regardless, any coach worth their salt would've ran that team off the floor with the talent discrepancy. Barton is the better defender, but Thompson is the better passer so Martin played Thompson probably more than he should have since he couldn't keep Fuller in front of him. Vandy has 2 guys that can score in Fuller and Odom and sometimes Parker. Jones can at times, but not at the rate of Fuller or Odom. Shut either one of those guys down and you win the game. Odom is a spot up shooter who was getting open looks all night. That's inexcusable.
 
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Lefteye said:
Were you hearing finger nails on the chalk board while typing that? Cause that's what I heard while reading it.

I kid, I said the same thing last week.
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Oh it sucks, but I'm not too prideful to admit Vandy has a better basketball coach and had a better football coach.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Like others have said, lots of coaches don't call a timeout there, they like their chances in a transition push without a defense getting a timeout to change up their look.
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It wasn't really a transition push. The defense had time to set up,J Rich was dribbling around in a panic, which is why he didn't notice Mcrae open in the corner. He wasn't aware of the time on the clock, panicked some more, but made a good decision and drove to the rack for a good look.

My point is it wasn't a transition look, that's completely different. The defense had time to get set. Cuonzo wasn't going to call a timeout no matter what happened he was going to let them play it out. J Rich got lucky that the lane opened for him and he had a good chance to score.

Any other coach would have called a time out after he saw that his team had no idea what to do.
 
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jcv0010 said:
It wasn't really a transition push. The defense had time to set up,J Rich was dribbling around in a panic, which is why he didn't notice Mcrae open in the corner. He wasn't aware of the time on the clock, panicked some more, but made a good decision and drove to the rack for a good look.

My point is it wasn't a transition look, that's completely different. The defense had time to get set. Cuonzo wasn't going to call a timeout no matter what happened he was going to let them play it out. J Rich got lucky that the lane opened for him and he had a good chance to score.

Any other coach would have called a time out after he saw that his team had no idea what to do.
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Like I said above, if your opinion is that we should've called a timeout and drew up a play, and feel confident that it would've resulted in a better opportunity....


Well then you have a lot more confidence in Martin's ability to draw up a play out of a timeout than I do :hi:
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Like I said above, if your opinion is that we should've called a timeout and drew up a play, and feel confident that it would've resulted in a better opportunity....


Well then you have a lot more confidence in Martin's ability to draw up a play out of a timeout than I do :hi:
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I feel confident that we could have at least gotten the ball into Jordy's hands.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Oh it sucks, but I'm not too prideful to admit Vandy has a better basketball coach and had a better football coach.
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Yet, in 15 years as head coach, Stallings has 0 SEC regular season titles, 1 SEC tourney title, 2 Sweet 16's and only 6 NCAA appearances in 15 seasons. He also has a losing record to UT. That's hardly a great resume.

Jimmy Frank took advantage of a horrible out of conference schedule and when the SEC East was down, lost to Derek Dooley, and barely beat a Jones' coached team coming off the Dooley debacle with a true freshman 3rd string QB. Frank at least knew to get out while the getting was good once Butch signed 9 of the state's top 11 players.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
Yet, in 15 years as head coach, Stallings has 0 SEC regular season titles, 1 SEC tourney title, 2 Sweet 16's and only 6 NCAA appearances in 15 seasons. He also has a losing record to UT. That's hardly a great resume.

Jimmy Frank took advantage of a horrible out of conference schedule and when the SEC East was down, lost to Derek Dooley, and barely beat a Jones' coached team coming off the Dooley debacle with a true freshman 3rd string QB. Frank at least knew to get out while the getting was good once Butch signed 9 of the state's top 11 players.
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I think franklin will do well at PSU, you can admit that or not, IDC.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I think franklin will do well at PSU, you can admit that or not, IDC.
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It would be hard not to do well at Penn St where there isn't much competition in that region. Butch beat Frank while at Cincy. He lost to him at UT. The jury is still out on both coaches at major programs IMO.
 
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I watch a lot of college BB and the who's who of college coaching seem to always call a TO in that situation...example coach K in last weeks Syracuse nail biter.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Butch didn't have more talent than franklin?

Talking out of both sides of your mouth.
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Top to bottom? It's pretty damn close. UT's roster was a joke. And if you think many SEC teams are going to win with a true freshman making his 3rd start at QB then you really are dumb. The most important position on the field and the coaches shut his ass down because Vandy had already intercepted two passes early. Stick to hoops. At least you don't look as stupid when you're trying to talk about it.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
Top to bottom? It's pretty damn close. UT's roster was a joke. And if you think many SEC teams are going to win with a true freshman making his 3rd start at QB then you really are dumb. The most important position on the field and the coaches shut his ass down because Vandy had already intercepted two passes early. Stick to hoops. At least you don't look as stupid when you're trying to talk about it.
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You're right, Vandy was more talented, you win lol.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You're right, Vandy was more talented, you win lol.
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At the most important position? Yes. Their SR QB vs. our true freshman? No contest. Their great WR vs our DB's? No contest. Their defensive backfield vs our WR's? No contest. See how matchups work?

That highly touted O-line didn't do jack sh*t all year. It underachieved. We'll see what new blood brings.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Like others have said, lots of coaches don't call a timeout there, they like their chances in a transition push without a defense getting a timeout to change up their look.
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Odd how no one seems to remember that Bruce Pearl used to do the same thing.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
At the most important position? Yes. Their SR QB vs. our true freshman? No contest. Their great WR vs our DB's? No contest. Their defensive backfield vs our WR's? No contest. See how matchups work?

That highly touted O-line didn't do jack sh*t all year. It underachieved. We'll see what new blood brings.
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So Butch couldn't motivate a group of talented lineman? Ouch.
 
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