Again, why did we not call timeout for a play?!

#101
#101
Spartacavolus said:
We have fans that would rather have a good def eff stat and low turnovers while going to the NIT, than outscore your opponents and win more games on the way to the ncaa. That's the idiocy this forum has sprung.
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There's 2 stats that truly matter

Wins and losses

However, if you think this team has been better defensively than offensively this season I can't possibly take you serious any longer
 
#104
#104
BadJerry20 said:
Didn't you just say something about assumptions? Lol

Cause I don't think I said defense wasn't a problem.
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And I haven't said offense isn't a problem, like you said in your post.

What I've said is that defense has been a bigger issue.

Look at the numbers Chris posted, in order for this team to win we have to shoot lights out, it shouldn't be that way. You can not expect to shoot 50+ percent every night from the field and 40+ percent every night from 3. You have to be able to defend when the shots aren't falling, and that's something we don't do, at least not consistently.
 
#105
#105
bleedingTNorange said:
And I haven't said offense isn't a problem, like you said in your post.

What I've said is that defense has been a bigger issue.

Look at the numbers Chris posted, in order for this team to win we have to shoot lights out, it shouldn't be that way. You can not expect to shoot 50+ percent every night from the field and 40+ percent every night from 3. You have to be able to defend when the shots aren't falling, and that's something we don't do, at least not consistently.
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Hey I agree our d needs to be picked up, but lets be honest, what are the chances of that happening at this point? Guys are going to care less and less about d when they are not going to get chances to score. IMO What is our defensive efficiency in games that we have pushed the pace, as opposed to slowing it down?
 
#106
#106
BadJerry20 said:
Hey I agree our d needs to be picked up, but lets be honest, what are the chances of that happening at this point? Guys are going to care less and less about d when they are not going to get chances to score. IMO What is our defensive efficiency in games that we have pushed the pace, as opposed to slowing it down?
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I agree it likely isn't going to pick up, but it has to if we're going to win IMO.

There's 1 team in all of NCAA that averages over 50% from the field and 40% from 3. Those are the offensive numbers we have to hit to win, asking a team to do that is not the way to win and isn't going to work.

We have to get to defending better or this same inconsistency is going to happen. Wish id have saved Chris' post because the numbers are truly alarming and eye opening.
 
#107
#107
bleedingTNorange said:
I agree it likely isn't going to pick up, but it has to if we're going to win IMO.

There's 1 team in all of NCAA that averages over 50% from the field and 40% from 3. Those are the offensive numbers we have to hit to win, asking a team to do that is not the way to win and isn't going to work.

We have to get to defending better or this same inconsistency is going to happen. Wish id have saved Chris' post because the numbers are truly alarming and eye opening.
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I agree we have to pick it up to start winning, but our offensive game plan is all over the place too. It does seem like when we push we win by double digits, and when we go slow we lose a low scoring game. Piggy backing off what I said in the other thread, I would like to know defensive efficiency in games pushing the pace as opposed to the slower attack. Maybe my eyes fool me but, we just seem more active defensively in a faster pace.
 
#109
#109
OrangeBalls said:
No, you bash the football program all the time. That's not an assumption kid. That's a fact.

Keep defending Martin and that sh*t show though. You've backed yourself into a corner. Might as well continue to look like a fool.
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If you knew me you'd know how foolish you truly look.
 
#110
#110
BadJerry20 said:
I agree we have to pick it up to start winning, but our offensive game plan is all over the place too. It does seem like when we push we win by double digits, and when we go slow we lose a low scoring game. Piggy backing off what I said in the other thread, I would like to know defensive efficiency in games pushing the pace as opposed to the slower attack. Maybe my eyes fool me but, we just seem more active defensively in a faster pace.
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I don't remember the numbers, but our defensive efficiency was best in lower possessions games in the past 2+ years.
 
#111
#111
bleedingTNorange said:
If you knew me you'd know how foolish you truly look.
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Your posts say enough about you already. You continue to defend someone and then act like you're not defending him all the while people are saying you're defending him. It's like a comedy pyramid and you have no idea what you're doing. If last night's results are any indication, your gig will be up soon so there is that.
 
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#112
#112
OrangeBalls said:
Your posts say enough about you already. You continue to defend someone and then act like you're not defending him all the while people are saying you're defending him. It's like a comedy pyramid and you have no idea what you're doing. If last night's results are any indication, your gig will be up soon so there is that.
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Yet you say he'll be back next year, now who's licking windows?
 
#114
#114
bleedingTNorange said:
Yet you say he'll be back next year, now who's licking windows?
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I didn't say he would be back next year. I said it wouldn't surprise me if he were back just as I've said all along barring a total collapse. There you go trying to say something I didn't say yet again.
 
#117
#117
OrangeBalls said:
I didn't say he would be back next year. I said it wouldn't surprise me if he were back just as I've said all along barring a total collapse. There you go trying to say something I didn't say yet again.
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I figured you've done such a nice job of it I would try.
 
#119
#119
bleedingTNorange said:
You posted stats, I posted stats, yours matter, mine you throw out the window. What's the point of debating with you?
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I didn't say anything about the defense being better than the offense, and on your point, I don't give a flip if you take me seriously or not, nor do I worry that your imaginary friends think I'm full of ****.
One of us knows the game. One of us doesn't. All of VN knows which one is which.
 
#121
#121
bleedingTNorange said:
I don't remember the numbers, but our defensive efficiency was best in lower possessions games in the past 2+ years.
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Looking at numbers Sparty posted in wins and loses, I'd almost bet it's better in games with better pace. I might look it up later when I get home.
 
#122
#122
BadJerry20 said:
Looking at numbers Sparty posted in wins and loses, I'd almost bet it's better in games with better pace. I might look it up later when I get home.
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Our average possessions per game in SEC play is 62

In games over 62 possessions our defensive efficiency is around 1.02, under 62 possessions right around the same. So defensive efficiency is about the same regardless of pace according to that.
 
#123
#123
bleedingTNorange said:
Our average possessions per game in SEC play is 62

In games over 62 possessions our defensive efficiency is around 1.02, under 62 possessions right around the same. So defensive efficiency is about the same regardless of pace according to that.
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Yeah I just figured it out too by doing games over 70 and under, it's a whopping difference of. .00092.
 
#125
#125
bleedingTNorange said:
The crazy thing is, from quick math it appears offensive efficiency is the same story. Right about the same regardless.
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If off eff is the same, yet we score 22 more points in wins v losses, why on earth would you still use that stat? You've been given a dozen reasons why it means nothing, but refuse to pay attention.
 
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