Agnostic Theism

#26
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therealUT said:
Interesting, I could have sworn that according to Judeo-Christian canon pride was the root of all sin; yet, you seem to be embracing pride and defending Christianity at the same time...

See you in hell.
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Bring a sweater, it gets chilly when you least expect it.
 
#27
#27
therealUT said:
Interesting, I could have sworn that according to Judeo-Christian canon pride was the root of all sin; yet, you seem to be embracing pride and defending Christianity at the same time...

See you in hell.
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How am I embracing pride? There is also no straight to hell sin. not a single one.

I have also mentioned many times I had a couple turns in my life that were 100% God ordained in my opinion that helped me out. I am a kid from a town in Parkersburg WV who dropped out of high school and made alot of mistakes. I have never said i am better than anyone. Just because I don't think the lazy should be able to take my hard earned money in taxes doesn't equal pride.
 
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#30
IPorange said:
To be clear, you find extraterrestrial life to be impossible?
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No. God can doing he wants.

I seriously doubt he stopped with us but maybe he did.

Technically the angles came first which means there was another race.


But life within our reach or there's? NO.

We could be dust on a blade of grass in a larger universe though.

But we will never encounter the other life.
 
#31
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NEOCON said:
How am I embracing pride? There is also no straight to hell sin. not a single one.

I have also mentioned many times I had a couple turns in my life that were 100% God ordained in my opinion that helped me out. I am a kid from a town in Parkersburg WV who dropped out of high school and made alot of mistakes. I have never said i am better than anyone. Just because I don't think the lazy should be able to take my hard earned money in taxes doesn't equal pride.
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As I understand Christianity, anytime one tries to state that another is a bigger sinner than they are they are being prideful, according to Christian canon. There are even a handful of ancient prayers dealing with this exact sentiment (as well as some "beam in the eye" scriptures).
 
#32
#32
NEOCON said:
No. God can doing he wants.

I seriously doubt he stopped with us but maybe he did.

Technically the angles came first which means there was another race.


But life within our reach or there's? NO.

We could be dust on a blade of grass in a larger universe though.

But we will never encounter the other life.
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How did you arrive at this opinion? What informs it?
 
#33
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therealUT said:
As I understand Christianity, anytime one tries to state that another is a bigger sinner than they are they are being prideful, according to Christian canon. There are even a handful of ancient prayers dealing with this exact sentiment (as well as some "beam in the eye" scriptures).
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Oh Ip bigger sinner than me?

No. Dude i ran a strip club. I'm pretty damn tainted.

I used to record porno movies in high school and then rent them to elementary kids. Back then you had to connect two vcr's and I'd have to watch them. I got so much porn in my head it's not even funny.

i even ran a numbers game with the book and chapter of the bible in our chapel service.

I am not less of a sinner than anyone.

I just know there is a jesus and asked to be saved and try each day to be better than I was the last. That's the onyl difference between a christian and a non believer. Faith in christ and knowing you can't do it alone.
 
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IPorange said:
Just to toss in on this conversation, I do not see why an all-powerful omnipotent and omniscient being would care whether the sentient beings on a particular planet in the fringe of a particular galaxy among millions knew anything about him.
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certainly a possibility
 
#35
#35
I don't believe you ran a numbers game with the book and chapter of the bible in the chapel service. BS.
 
#36
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IPorange said:
How did you arrive at this opinion? What informs it?
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Blade of grass idea comes from the gunslinger books by stephen king.

angels before us comes from the bible as satan fell in the beginning and the angels already existed.

not seeing any in our lifetime comes from the hubble not picking a damn thing up and just basic logic of distance to the sun and needed climate and the speed of light compared to travel.

other life being out there comes from God being infinite and having no boundaries.
 
#38
#38
Lexvol said:
Just seems like a lot of trouble to go through not to give a rat's...
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I see the point. I'm just open to the idea. If we are just one of thousands (millions) of sentient beings out there I can see how we'd get lost in the shuffle.
 
#40
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IPorange said:
I don't believe you ran a numbers game with the book and chapter of the bible in the chapel service. BS.
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of all the things i have said you call bs on that one???

yes, IP I did. I was expelled from a christian school in the nashville area. The school did chapel each week and for a dollar you could guess the book and chapter. if you got it right you won 100 dollars. if you got the verse, like the mega ball, you won the whole pot. i also bought the pornos from a video shop in madison tn across from the great escape. place would not rent to me as i was 17 but would sell to me. place was ran by indians.
 
#41
#41
Whether true or not, agnostic theists (following the definition in this thread) seem to want to believe but can't rationalize it. So arguments for existence seem to be circular and/or end up in the same place "can't define because by definition is outside the view of the physical world". Not saying that is fact, just the way the arguments come across to me.

Personally, I like the idea of a supernatural being, but can't square it with reality.

And we are all atheists, there is somebody's God we all find the notion of which is ludicrous. Some just take it further than others.
 
#42
#42
IPorange said:
No trouble at all if you are eternal and omnipotent.
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It is hard to argue that point...but I posted anyway. For me personally (I know not everybody thinks this way) being a parent definitely clouds my judgement on issues like this. It is hard to imagine just walking away from something you created. All I got.
 
#43
#43
rjd970 said:
Whether true or not, agnostic theists (following the definition in this thread) seem to want to believe but can't rationalize it. So arguments for existence seem to be circular and/or end up in the same place "can't define because by definition is outside the view of the physical world". Not saying that is fact, just the way the arguments come across to me.
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This is true for me. I definitely want their to be a supernatural power and an absolute truth; I want a relationship with such a power and a knowledge of such a truth. So, while I find the proofs for the existence of God compelling, I also recognize my bias in wanting them to be compelling.
 
#44
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NEOCON said:
of all the things i have said you call bs on that one???

yes, IP I did. I was expelled from a christian school in the nashville area. The school did chapel each week and for a dollar you could guess the book and chapter. if you got it right you won 100 dollars. if you got the verse, like the mega ball, you won the whole pot. i also bought the pornos from a video shop in madison tn across from the great escape. place would not rent to me as i was 17 but would sell to me. place was ran by indians.
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Dude, that is what I would call issues. Damn.
 
#45
#45
Lexvol said:
It is hard to argue that point...but I posted anyway. For me personally (I know not everybody thinks this way) being a parent definitely clouds my judgement on issues like this. It is hard to imagine just walking away from something you created. All I got.
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I don't claim to have any answers, either. All we can do is just kick the can around, same as humans have been doing for thousands of years.
 
#46
#46
NEOCON said:
I was expelled from a christian school in the nashville area. The school did chapel each week and for a dollar you could guess the book and chapter. if you got it right you won 100 dollars. if you got the verse, like the mega ball, you won the whole pot. i also bought the pornos from a video shop in madison tn across from the great escape. place would not rent to me as i was 17 but would sell to me. place was ran by indians.
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This is full of win.
 
#47
#47
rjd970 said:
Whether true or not, agnostic theists (following the definition in this thread) seem to want to believe but can't rationalize it. So arguments for existence seem to be circular and/or end up in the same place "can't define because by definition is outside the view of the physical world". Not saying that is fact, just the way the arguments come across to me.

Personally, I like the idea of a supernatural being, but can't square it with reality.

And we are all atheists, there is somebody's God we all find the notion of which is ludicrous. Some just take it further than others.
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I can rationalize it and have repeatedly.
 
#48
#48
University of Alabama. That alone proves that there is a God. It would take a God to take a sh!t that massive!
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#49
#49
volinbham said:
I can rationalize it and have repeatedly.
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Disagree, respectfully.

Does your argument not always end up in the "its supernatural, so natural explanations don't work" bin? My beef with that is anything and everything is possible, taking the meaning out of it completely.

Far more honest to just say you want to believe, and faith suffices.
 
#50
#50
rjd970 said:
Disagree, respectfully.

Does your argument not always end up in the "its supernatural, so natural explanations don't work" bin? My beef with that is anything and everything is possible, taking the meaning out of it completely.

Far more honest to just say you want to believe, and faith suffices.
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Just a question, but have you read Scotus's proof?
 
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