Agnostic Theism

#51
#51
therealUT said:
This is true for me. I definitely want their to be a supernatural power and an absolute truth; I want a relationship with such a power and a knowledge of such a truth. So, while I find the proofs for the existence of God compelling, I also recognize my bias in wanting them to be compelling.
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We don't see this particular topic the same, however my curiosity leads me to ask.

Given your current understanding, what do you think happens when you die?
 
#52
#52
BeecherVol said:
We don't see this particular topic the same, however my curiosity leads me to ask.

Given your current understanding, what do you think happens when you die?
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I hope I have a soul and that the soul is eternal; I think it is just as likely that I completely (body and soul) cease to exist.
 
#54
#54
rjd970 said:
Disagree, respectfully.

Does your argument not always end up in the "its supernatural, so natural explanations don't work" bin? My beef with that is anything and everything is possible, taking the meaning out of it completely.

Far more honest to just say you want to believe, and faith suffices.
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But that's not my position. The reasons I've offered as evidence, indicators or pieces of a puzzle are dismissed by you and therefore you believe my position is not rational.

It's not a faith position - it's a likelihood position. As I've said before it's a binary choice - creator/no creator. To me, the creator option makes more sense.
 
#55
#55
rjd970 said:
Not familiar with it, don't have the energy right now to study it. Will definitely check it out though.

:hi:
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Duns Scotus Philosophical Writings

It is a pretty interesting take on some fundamental philosophical questions; many Christian theologians consider it the best proof for the existence of God. I have never seen a secular philosopher mention it, much less try to defeat it.
 
#56
#56
rjd970 said:
This is full of win.
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I actually put this on my resume when I applied for the analyst job at NF.

I remember my mom crying when he who shall not be named told them it would go on my permanent record. This is probably going to bite me in the butt one day when I run for offfice but oh well. Nothing a good pr campaign can't over come.

Not full of win though.
 
#58
#58
therealUT said:
Duns Scotus Philosophical Writings

It is a pretty interesting take on some fundamental philosophical questions; many Christian theologians consider it the best proof for the existence of God. I have never seen a secular philosopher mention it, much less try to defeat it.
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I'm not very familiar with it, but it seems by saying nothing can create itself and nothing can be created from nothing neither proves existence of God, nor disproves it. I would think you could use the argument either way, but I know it goes way deeper than that.
 
#59
#59
Camp Quest Offers Summer Camp for Children of Atheists, Agnostics | Video | TheBlaze.com

Camp Quest, according to its web site, is a residential summer camp designed for the children of “Atheists, Freethinkers, Humanists, Brights, or whatever other terms might be applied to those who hold to a naturalistic, not supernatural world view.”
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#60
#60
As opposed to christian camps? I have no problem with this - I wouldn't send my kids to either though.
 
#62
#62
volinbham said:
But that's not my position. The reasons I've offered as evidence, indicators or pieces of a puzzle are dismissed by you and therefore you believe my position is not rational.

It's not a faith position - it's a likelihood position. As I've said before it's a binary choice - creator/no creator. To me, the creator option makes more sense.
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