‘23 AL CB Rickey Gibson (Tennessee commit)

[sjt18]

I’m not sure it really matters much if predictions are ultimately inaccurate. Nothing bad happens to the recruits if they’re ranking is too high or too low. Nothing bad happens to the teams that are ranked too high or too low in pre-season polls. Nothing bad happens to the fans of the recruits or the teams (besides maybe hurt feelings).

I suppose their accuracy could help a fan determine what service/site/reporter/talking head they choose to follow. But that’s about it in terms of impact of their (in)accuracy.

Not sure your point.

One of the "products" offered by those sites is recruit ratings. It is something you're supposed to get for your $9.99 or whatever per month. Shouldn't there be some expectation for accountability?

 

[MarcoVol]

Not sure your point.

One of the "products" offered by those sites is recruit ratings. It is something you're supposed to get for your $9.99 or whatever per month. Shouldn't there be some expectation for accountability?

If people are willing to pay for a crap product, that’s kinda on them, isn’t it? I’m sure there are plenty of things in life you’ve paid for and not been satisfied. And if people keep paying, then business as usual for services.

My point is why would there be consequences for a service when said service being wrong has no real impact on anyone involved.

I agree that they miss a good amount. It’s why everyone should trust coach evals more. But how many scouts/employees would one need to evaluate every HS football player? And how would you do it properly bc any 2 people can disagree on what they see.

 

[sjt18]

If people are willing to pay for a crap product, that’s kinda on them, isn’t it? I’m sure there are plenty of things in life you’ve paid for and not been satisfied. And if people keep paying, then business as usual for services.

My point is why would there be consequences for a service when said service being wrong has no real impact on anyone involved.

Doesn't that apply to most goods and services provided by anyone though?

I don't think that way. I'm used to a "world" in business where you perform or you lose your business or job.

I agree that they miss a good amount. It’s why everyone should trust coach evals more. But how many scouts/employees would one need to evaluate every HS football player? And how would you do it properly bc any 2 people can disagree on what they see.

Agree. And this is what most don't know/understand. UT and all major programs employ recruiting consultants. They most definitely make their living providing highly detailed and accurate information about recruits to the programs that are interested in them. Coaches still use those evaluations and make choices. Coaches still make visits and review recruit film. But a lot of that work is done for them... and especially the background stuff.

 

[csprig9]

I want a high ranked class
But I get his point
It seems like our 4/5 star guys never pan out
Hopefully we now have a coaches that can actually continue developing the recruits

 

[ACvol3]

I want a high ranked class
But I get his point
It seems like our 4/5 star guys never pan out
Hopefully we now have a coaches that can actually continue developing the recruits

I bet percentage wise, more 4/5*s pan out than 2/3*s

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

I bet percentage wise, more 4/5*s pan out than 2/3*s

Yeah, but a higher percentage of good ball players pan out over average or lessor ball players regardless of stars. Profound HUH? 20% of 4 stars typically get drafted and 80% get passed by a bunch of 2&3 stars to take up most of the 250 draft spots. Bama and GA are not blindly picking their 4 star guys. Their 3 star selections are not sympathy picks. Gotta pick the right ones out of each pool. When you lose the battles for the highest probability guys, you have to try and pick the winners out of the higher risk groups. They are out there.

 

[ACvol3]

Yeah, but a higher percentage of good ball players pan out over average or lessor ball players regardless of stars. Profound HUH? 20% of 4 stars typically get drafted and 80% get passed by a bunch of 2&3 stars to take up most of the 250 draft spots. Bama and GA are not blindly picking their 4 star guys. Their 3 star selections are not sympathy picks. Gotta pick the right ones out of each pool. When you lose the battles for the highest probability guys, you have to try and pick the winners out of the higher risk groups. They are out there.

What percentage of 3*s get drafted?

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

What percentage of 3*s get drafted?

That number is out there but irrelevant to me since that is the entry level for most players with more than a pulse. A better but harder number to get would be 3 stars with multiple p5 official visits. That is a different validation just lower than getting that 4th star. Can they grow or will speed training get them on the field? Using the gross 3 star number is a verifiable calculation but nothing else. Multiple p5 visits, with more than just home school and legacy visits is a start. Sometimes visit lists gets them the next star, sometimes not for guys with same potential.

 

[Revived2002]

Hopefully we now have a coaches that can actually continue developing the recruits

Seems we do. How many of the current leaders on our team were 3-stars coming out of high school?

I haven't done the math - but I think it's a decent number. Banks, Tillman, Spraggins and Small come immediately to mind. Our coaches are getting the most out of what they have.

 

[LittleVol]

Seems we do. How many of the current leaders on our team were 3-stars coming out of high school?

I haven't done the math - but I think it's a decent number. Banks, Tillman, Spraggins and Small come immediately to mind. Our coaches are getting the most out of what they have.

banks was a 4 star rb

 

[American_PitVol]

See @825VOL 's post. They actually don't do it for a living. They stoke and profit on fan interest for a living. Of all fanbases, UT should pay the least amount of attention to their opinions. This is a list of guys just over the last few years who were rated 4/5* when UT signed them:

Nukeese Richardson
Darren Miles
David Oku
Corey Miller
Matt Milton
Ted Meline
DeAnthony Arnett
Marlen Lane
Dray Bowles
Pit Howard
Devante Bourque
Jason Carr
Dillon Bates
Dontavius Blair
Gavin Bryant
Drew Richmond
Tyler Byrd

The list goes on and on... I tried to avoid any who were remotely debatable.

Recruit ratings are much like pre-season predictions. None of the guys making them get held accountable for being extremely inaccurate.

I think the ineptitude of the coaches these guys played under has a lot to do with their lack of development and motivation.

 

[SonOfGodVolforlife]

I bet percentage wise, more 4/5*s pan out than 2/3*s

Not at Tennessee.

 

[butchna]

banks was a 4 star rb

 

[Maxwell865]

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Look at Rivals

 

[sjt18]

I think the ineptitude of the coaches these guys played under has a lot to do with their lack of development and motivation.

Some of them went elsewhere and never panned out. The vast majority were just badly overrated.

One part of recruiting rankings that doesn't get talked about is that some coaches politic for their commits to get higher ratings. Jones did it in particular by talking JG up to the guys he knew at Rivals. That doesn't make the evaluation correct or absolve the recruiting sites of being wrong.

 

[sjt18]

I bet percentage wise, more 4/5*s pan out than 2/3*s

Overall or at UT? I am willing to bet it is closer at UT than overall.

If you are talking overall then that would only matter if the recruiting sites attempted to give ALL players the exact rating they deserved. In one class you might have 60 5* players and 100 in the next. Same with 4*. You would see A LOT more 2* ratings.

By arbitrarily limiting the number of 4/5* ratings they hand out, the recruiting sites make themselves appear more accurate than they actually are. Even then, 60% of 5* and 20% of 4* being drafted vs a larger number of 3* or below... isn't all that great.

 

[LittleVol]

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[butchna]

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Pick and choose is a thing. Worked for Harrison Bailey. How did Scout rate him?

 

[butchna]

Look at Rivals

I know how it works. I go with the composite.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

banks was a 4 star rb

 

[sjt18]

Jeremy Banks has overcome a lot including some self-sabotage to become a pretty good MLB.

 

[TitanicVolz]

Jeremy Banks has overcome a lot including some self-sabotage to become a pretty good MLB.

Some will refuse to admit it but I think we would have been alot worse on defense if not for him...Is he ever gonna be elite??Highly doubtful but he knows this defense and has earned that right to start.It kinda pisses me off when folks throw shade at the dude.I mean for everything he has overcome between coaching changes to scheme and just growing up being a man he's definitely a VFL in my book.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

Some will refuse to admit it but I think we would have been alot worse on defense if not for him...Is he ever gonna be elite??Highly doubtful but he knows this defense and has earned that right to start.It kinda pisses me off when folks throw shade at the dude.I mean for everything he has overcome between coaching changes to scheme and just growing up being a man he's definitely a VFL in my book.

Exactly.

Kid plays with heart and intensity that’s been missing on this team for some quite time now.

 

[sjt18]

Some will refuse to admit it but I think we would have been alot worse on defense if not for him...Is he ever gonna be elite??Highly doubtful but he knows this defense and has earned that right to start.It kinda pisses me off when folks throw shade at the dude.I mean for everything he has overcome between coaching changes to scheme and just growing up being a man he's definitely a VFL in my book.

I will not be surprised if he makes an NFL roster at least through the last cuts next summer. He's a better athlete than most give him credit for.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

A lot of these kids are 18 years old on the calendar & 13 years old in real life. Everyone doesn't have the same upbringing. Some technically don't have upbringings @ all.