Alabama Fan Robert Bowers Dies in Hospital After Bar Fight Following LSU Game

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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Considering you were putting words in the OPs mouth, yes.
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I didn't put words in his mouth. His initial response to a story (which may or may not be accurate as to the motive) about someone being killed because of their college football fandom was to assume the victim was being obnoxious. That leaves his conclusion somewhere between "it was probably the victim's fault" to "it wasn't his fault, but I'm not surprised it happened." Falling anywhere on that scale makes you a dick.
 
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So according to the story, the niece pissed some people off so her uncle got a beating? Wonder why the daughter's BF didn't jump in? Lots of holes in the story.

The man didn't deserve to be beaten to death. Sad and tragic.

But Bama fans do tend to be obnoxious so that's not an inaccurate statement.
 
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This is obviously very serious with the guy dying... but it does remind me a bit of the teabagger and of that woman causing a scene at the Sugar Bowl vs Oklahoma. Throw in Harvey Treekiller and drama seems to follow Bama fans around.
 
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All comments making light of this put you firmly in the camp of the killer. Not surprised to find that here...

bamawriter said:
I didn't put words in his mouth. His initial response to a story (which may or may not be accurate as to the motive) about someone being killed because of their college football fandom was to assume the victim was being obnoxious. That leaves his conclusion somewhere between "it was probably the victim's fault" to "it wasn't his fault, but I'm not surprised it happened." Falling anywhere on that scale makes you a dick.
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You are correct in your interpretation. An Alabama fan is dead and all he could say was something about how those Bama fans are obnoxious. You’d think that death would be the line to be drawn for college rivalries. You would be wrong. Be better or shut the **** up.
 
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Weezer said:
So according to the story, the niece pissed some people off so her uncle got a beating? Wonder why the daughter's BF didn't jump in? Lots of holes in the story.

The man didn't deserve to be beaten to death. Sad and tragic.

But Bama fans do tend to be obnoxious so that's not an inaccurate statement.
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Correct. You hear it everyday on any college football talk show.

Just not enough to the story to know what happened on either side.
 
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bamawriter said:
" The obnoxious and pompous entitlement from that fan base, generally speaking, is out of control."

So you aren't saying it's the victim's fault, but his "obnoxious and pompous entitlement... is out of control."

If she wasn't wearing such a short skirt, she probably wouldn't have been raped.
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People that mind their business usually don’t get beaten to death in a bar either.
 
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Weezer said:
So according to the story, the niece pissed some people off so her uncle got a beating? Wonder why the daughter's BF didn't jump in? Lots of holes in the story.

The man didn't deserve to be beaten to death. Sad and tragic.

But Bama fans do tend to be obnoxious so that's not an inaccurate statement.
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Didn't want to make it a family affair?
 
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Slight Update:

From Michael 'Vinsanau WDSU'

Ponchatoula's Police Chief told me today the fight that led to Robert Bowers' death at the Ponchatoula Pub was not over LSU-Alabama game. The Chief said the fight began over an incident involving Bowers' niece, who was intoxicated. Heartbreaking still, but not over football.
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Source
WDSU News
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
I posted a similar article earlier. People are too busy discussing whether obnoxious fans have it coming to notice that this had nothing to do with fan rivalry.
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If the intoxicated niece was at the bar talking smack, it still could have had something to do with fan rivalry taken too far. Obviously, the man didn't deserve to be beaten to death, but the full story hasn't emerged. I'm curious what she did to trigger the response. I wonder if the guy even knew what he was catching a beating for?
 
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salutethehill said:
What was said:
"This possibly could've been avoided."

What BW saw:
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No, see, what was said was "This could have been avoided if the Bama fan hadn't been obnoxious," rather than "This could have been avoided had a couple of a**holes not beaten a man to death for being obnoxious." That's what I saw, because that's exactly what was said.

Either way, it doesn't appear that fanhood played any part in the incident.
 
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Weezer said:
If the intoxicated niece was at the bar talking smack, it still could have had something to do with fan rivalry taken too far. Obviously, the man didn't deserve to be beaten to death, but the full story hasn't emerged. I'm curious what she did to trigger the response. I wonder if the guy even knew what he was catching a beating for?
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The article I linked earlier the police said they didn't think it had anything to do with the game or the rivalry.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
The article I linked earlier the police said they didn't think it had anything to do with the game or the rivalry.
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That's what they said. The truth isn't always revealed. Stating it started with the niece is extremely vague. I think intentionally so.
 
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bamawriter said:
No, see, what was said was "This could have been avoided if the Bama fan hadn't been obnoxious," rather than "This could have been avoided had a couple of a**holes not beaten a man to death for being obnoxious." That's what I saw, because that's exactly what was said.

Either way, it doesn't appear that fanhood played any part in the incident.
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Bar fights happen all the time with nobody getting killed. Nobody is saying anybody deserved to die. Are you claiming there was premeditation to kill and we all seem to be good with it? Show me where it was premeditated, or get off your self-righteous soap box. Both parties are to blame for the fight, and therefore what happened as a consequence.

Despite your willfully refusing to acknowledge it, deserving to get your *ss beat does not equal deserving to get killed.

Assuming for arguments sake this was fandom related....bottom line is the fight itself could have been avoided by both parties if they really wanted to and there wouldn't have been a death. Claiming we actually believe he was "killed because he was obnoxious and asking for it" is the height of stupidity and manufactured self-righteousness.
 
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rjd970 said:
Both parties are to blame for the fight, and therefore what happened as a consequence.
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Are they? Within the pissed-off fan scenario (which no longer seems true), if a dude is being obnoxious, and two other dudes beat the crap out of him, the obnoxious guy is in no way shape or form to blame for the fight. Words aren't assault. Assault is assault. Premeditation is completely irrelevant.

Would it be better if everyone were polite to one another, and kept the smack talk within the bounds of playful banter? Absolutely. The victim might have been a complete ass. Doesn't matter.

Despite your willfully refusing to acknowledge it, deserving to get your *ss beat does not equal deserving to get killed.
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Being obnoxious does not equate to "deserving to get your *ss beat." You deserve to get beaten up when you attack another person. That person then has the right to reasonably defend himself, which might be up to and including a complete butt whipping.

If your initial response to this story (or at least the earlier, seemingly inaccurate, report) is "this guy was obnoxious, so he deserved to catch a two-on-one beatdown, but he didn't deserve to die," the guess what? You're still a dick.
 
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