Alabama football: At least five players have reportedly tested positive for the coronavirus

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84Volfan said:
You can't make a statement either way right now on which is more deadly (mortality rate) until we have accurate antibody testing and find out exactly how much of the population has actually been infected. Everything that's come out so far has the mortality rate for Covid dropping with each new count.
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I agree. Until an accurated seroligical test is developed, one can not calculate who has had the virus and if and how long antibodies will last to prevent future infections. Those data are not yet available and likely not be available until 2022 or longer.
 
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rocytop2624 said:
Have you seen so many die as many as 900 a day in NYC that they had to have ice trucks.. You think that is normal? Denial or conspiracy theory not sure what you are eat up with.
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Neither. Just a reliance on the actual reviewed facts rather than anecdotes and hyped news reports at the time that weren't careful with the facts. About 160 people die in NYC every day on average. A single day or even a few days in that range during a viral outbreak that preys on the elderly isn't surprising or really "shocking". The "trucks" were always more about morgues not processing corpses quickly. They needed time to implement safe handling procedures. NYC's morgue capacity in and of itself was not the reason for a lack of space.

Notably, you chose the exception... not just in the US but in the WORLD.... to try to make your point. Why NYC performed so poorly or if it was simply a matter of how they counted will be an interesting study over the next few years. Population density was a factor... but Tokyo's low death count indicates it isn't as much as you'd think.

As for "denial"... it is "undeniable" that Covid death numbers are being inflated when compared to flu death numbers or really any other widespread pandemic in the US. If you want to believe false narratives in spite of the facts then I don't know how to help you.
 
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TAF said:
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Stealing that one .. I promise to put it to good use . Lol
 
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bamawriter said:
Not true. You can be complete asymptomatic (including a lack of fever) and still be contagious for up to 14 days.
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That's the current guidance but it isn't completely vetted yet.

The tracing guidance and current response guidance is focused on the two days prior to symptoms. One of the goals of tracing as I understand it is to determine the impact of asymptomatic people on spread. Just the fact that they are not coughing or sneezing suggests it will not be as great as symptomatic people. If it is a lot less then the solutions become focused on people with symptoms.
 
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Volinnooga said:
Sure, go ahead and make light of it—ignore the fact that those with the virus could likely contaminate others who are older or otherwise compromised. The risk isn’t so much to the young and healthy-/ it’s the risk of others that they expose.
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OK. So where does it stop? If we counted flu deaths the way we're counting Covid deaths then 10's of thousands of old people die each year because a young person infected them with the flu. Why accept that risk? A cold can cause an old person to develop pneumonia and die. Why ignore that risk?

This virus is dangerous for elderly people. But even among the old it primarily impacts those in very poor health.... people with little time to live due to other things.

We now know who those most at risk are. It is a subset of elderly people. Does it not make MUCH more sense to protect those in danger than shut everyone else down?

There was a doctor from Europe who was basically mocked when this began. He proposed that we lock down our vulnerable people (particularly nursing homes) tightly and then allow herd immunity to develop among the population over the next 4 months... making it safe for the elderly to open back up. The more the data comes in... the more likely that guy was right.
 
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Carp said:
The total amount of infected isn't quite as important as the percentage of tests coming back positive. Suppose you tests 1,000 people this week and 10% (100 people) come back positive. Next week you test 10,000 people and 5% (500 people) come back positive. You see a higher number of positives, but the rate of positive tests went down.
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You are spot on. I didnt see the need to equate Standard Deviation to the discussion but you are correct. And that's one of the issues that's being exploited. Thanks for pointing that out.
Disclaimer: I was very poor at Statistics and Deviation and would be worse at trying to explain it :):)
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
University of Pittsburgh doctors say coronavirus appears to be declining in potency | Daily Mail Online
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I keep up to date on information which has been peer reviewed and I not seen anything which provides enough data to confirm the Doctors statement. Random data, if not collected by protocol, are unreliable. Based on past data from past pandemics, novel viruses seem to become more dangerous in the second wave. While Sars and Mars were more deadly, they were not nearly as communicable and did not spread very rapidly and did not pose lasting problems. It appears that Covid19 will be with us for a long time, similar to flu viruses. We will have to wait and seen what the future holds.
 
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Dumbledorange said:
Whose the Bama quarterback with COVID? If it is not Mac Jones, then that leaves Bryce Young, BRAXTON BARKER, PAUL "Bear's Boy" TYSON and about four others.

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WHY do you care. WHAT is your point with this thread. I have tried to make sense of someone bragging and even salivating over no CFB this fall but WHY are you in a football forum with this chit? It is an honest question. I doubt that I will get an answer that makes the first bit of sense.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
WHY do you care. WHAT is your point with this thread. I have tried to make sense of someone bragging and even salivating over no CFB this fall but WHY are you in a football forum with this chit? It is an honest question. I doubt that I will get an answer that makes the first bit of sense.
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You will get an answer with a link
 
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sjt18 said:
OK. So where does it stop? If we counted flu deaths the way we're counting Covid deaths then 10's of thousands of old people die each year because a young person infected them with the flu. Why accept that risk? A cold can cause an old person to develop pneumonia and die. Why ignore that risk?

This virus is dangerous for elderly people. But even among the old it primarily impacts those in very poor health.... people with little time to live due to other things.

We now know who those most at risk are. It is a subset of elderly people. Does it not make MUCH more sense to protect those in danger than shut everyone else down?

There was a doctor from Europe who was basically mocked when this began. He proposed that we lock down our vulnerable people (particularly nursing homes) tightly and then allow herd immunity to develop among the population over the next 4 months... making it safe for the elderly to open back up. The more the data comes in... the more likely that guy was right.
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Man you have to stop comparing this to the flu you say you speak facts well science says this is way more contagious and more deadly and you can get a flu shot. If America didn't do nothing and tried herd immunity then we would be over 1 million dead in 3 months. I know of someone in their 40's that spent almost a month in the hospital and was on a vent almost died they couldn't help it or take a vaccine like you can with flu.
 
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rocytop2624 said:
Man you have to stop comparing this to the flu you say you speak facts well science says this is way more contagious and more deadly and you can get a flu shot. If America didn't do nothing and tried herd immunity then we would be over 1 million dead in 3 months. I know of someone in their 40's that spent almost a month in the hospital and was on a vent almost died they couldn't help it or take a vaccine like you can with flu.
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Was he healthy when he had it . If not , then he is an outlier. It took me about three weeks to get over it completely .. in 52 and apparently don’t have any unknown health problems . This is a virus that affects the weakened and elderly hard , if not then the likelihood of it killing you is very low .
 
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njvols said:
Great example. To me, this is where most AD's, Fulmer included are coming from. Everyone's got plan A for playing the full tilt, but, they're for sure developing plans B,C,D... with the effort of playing ball. Outside of doing what's right for the players because ultimately, they're the caretakers for people's kids, just from a financial stand point, if they don't go to all measures to protect the players, they miss any longer term financial opportunities for this season. I think they'll start the season with the most conservative approach possible...probably no fans, and see how that goes until they open the flood gates for a certain number of folks to attend games.
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Yep. You can tell when Fulmer provides any kind of public comment he gets it. He's very deliberate and circumspect. Trust he's got a solid, multi-tiered plan.
 
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84Volfan said:
Bingo....we have the Rona Crew (OP being part of this group) on here preaching social distancing from the get go. Yet when it comes to 10s of thousands of people gathered protesting they don't make a peep....agenda driven much?
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and the same people mad about protesters won't wear a mask because "it's their right"
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
WHY do you care. WHAT is your point with this thread. I have tried to make sense of someone bragging and even salivating over no CFB this fall but WHY are you in a football forum with this chit? It is an honest question. I doubt that I will get an answer that makes the first bit of sense.
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VOLINVONORE said:
I keep up to date on information which has been peer reviewed and I not seen anything which provides enough data to confirm the Doctors statement. Random data, if not collected by protocol, are unreliable. Based on past data from past pandemics, novel viruses seem to become more dangerous in the second wave. While Sars and Mars were more deadly, they were not nearly as communicable and did not spread very rapidly and did not pose lasting problems. It appears that Covid19 will be with us for a long time, similar to flu viruses. We will have to wait and seen what the future holds.
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Ok and what about the Arizona State study that said Covid had begun the common process viruses go through known as Mullers Ratchet?
 
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