Alabama's recruiting strategy

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IAM410EC said:
Appears Saban tells some recruits that their scholarship offer is for one year and they've got to work to keep/earn it.
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scholarships are renewed every year. Not sure why making the guy earn it is a big deal
 
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wow if I was a star I could find another big time college to go to and not deal with that crap like UT of the Fulmer days :p
 
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utvolpj said:
scholarships are renewed every year. Not sure why making the guy earn it is a big deal
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because you are supposed to go to college for 4 years...

When I applied to colleges, i was expecting to be there for 4 years, and it shouldnt be any different for a student athlete
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
because you are supposed to go to college for 4 years...

When I applied to colleges, i was expecting to be there for 4 years, and it shouldnt be any different for a student athlete
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still doesn't change the fact that it's not a 4yr contract

if another student is on an academic scholarship and their grades drop below a certain level then the scholarship is revoked. Don't see this being much different
 
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The article points out that only Bama recruits knew about the one year schollie. There are many other schools, some who oversign more than Bama, whose recruits aren't being told the truth.
 
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I understand that some guys just don't work, are lazy, don't live up to their billing, etc.

Those guys probably need to be weeded out every once-in-a-while, or encouraged to transfer down a classification or two.

However, this seems take it a step further IMO.

Much more NFL like, in that no contract (or scholarship) is guaranteed. It's a win-at-all-costs mentality (like the NFL).

This isn't professional sports. Not sure that's healthy for the college game.
 
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No, he's revoking them, in some cases, after evaluating a player after one season.

Spend money evaluating and recruiting a guy, get him on campus, put him through practice, see if he can cut it or not.

Cut him loose as you recruit over him and need to make some extra spots for the new 4 or 5 star you want to bring in and keep away from your conference rivals.

It's a brilliant concept, but not sure it is within the spirit of collegiate athletics.

I guess it's just all about the bottom line.
 
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Athletic schollys should be evaluated annually. I like Saban's approach
 
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IAM410EC said:
No, he's revoking them, in some cases, after evaluating a player after one season.

Spend money evaluating and recruiting a guy, get him on campus, put him through practice, see if he can cut it or not.

Cut him loose as you recruit over him and need to make some extra spots for the new 4 or 5 star you want to bring in and keep away from your conference rivals.

It's a brilliant concept, but not sure it is within the spirit of collegiate athletics.

I guess it's just all about the bottom line.
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There ya go.....
 
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utvolpj said:
still doesn't change the fact that it's not a 4yr contract

if another student is on an academic scholarship and their grades drop below a certain level then the scholarship is revoked. Don't see this being much different
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Yeah, but said grade level is agreed upon before the contract is signed. What is the cutoff for a student athlete? So many minutes played? Depth chart? You tell me.

There is fundamental differences between student athletes and an academic ones. How much money is being generated for the university? How much are they getting paid? IMO, cutting student athletes is completely acceptable if they are getting paid. As long as the NCAA mandates they retain amateur status, they should be guaranteed 4 years of education. If they don't work out, it is on the coach making $4 million a year to decide who gets scholarships and who doesn't.

Everybody from the conference leadership, through university, to ADs, to coaches makes money off these kids. The least they can do is guarantee they get an education in the process.

I agree, it is a one year deal. What Saban is doing is completely within the rules. I am simply saying it shouldn't be this way...and oversigning needs to be a rule that is enforced.
 
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IAM410EC said:
Oversigning offenders in SEC, Big 12 won't be curbed by NCAA rule - Andy Staples - SI.com

Fascinating article on SI.com about college recruiting/oversigning.

Appears Saban tells some recruits that their scholarship offer is for one year and they've got to work to keep/earn it. If they can't cut it, they're let go and he finds another 4 or 5 star the following recruiting cycle.

Very cutthroat and Saban-like. Envelope pusher.
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I don't see a problem. You have to average 21.25 a year to get to the 85 limit. There are almost 90 schools on the list that average more than that.

Whats the point of singling out Saban when Troy, Ole Miss Auburn,Mis State,Kansas State,Temple,Southern Miss,Arkansas,Kentucky sign more? Is this really an issue. Colleges, including TN, used to sign 45 players a year.
 
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Sounds fair, gets rid of the slackers. They should do that in basketball, although there wouldn't be enough of those guys left to make a 5 man rotation.
 
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That's how it should be. Keeps you from piling up dead weight. It's no different from getting fired because you don't perform satisfactorily at your job.
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I don't have much of a problem with his approach. Yes, it's definitely cutthroat, but these guys were brought to Alabama to 1) play SEC/championship caliber football and 2) get a free education. Don't be so naive to think that the focus/priorities aren't in that order. Students on academic scholarship must maintain their grades to remain on scholarship (fair enough). Athlete-students have to perform on the field, then in the classroom in order to maintain their scholarship (again, fair enough). If these guys were good enough to be offered by Alabama out of high school, they shouldn't have any trouble finding a full ride for football/education somewhere else, though it may not be their dream school.
 
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I love this attitude. It's a little like the Junction Boys with Bear Bryant. You cut the men you know won't make it. Saban knew Star Jackson was never going to be an SEC QB. Why keep him when he wasn't showing that he could be?
 
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Now, in the Les Miles situation with Elliot Porter, I don't like that. That's wrong. If you had obeyed the rule, you wouldn't have had the problem.
 
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rjd970 said:
Yeah, but said grade level is agreed upon before the contract is signed. What is the cutoff for a student athlete? So many minutes played? Depth chart? You tell me.

There is fundamental differences between student athletes and an academic ones. How much money is being generated for the university? How much are they getting paid? IMO, cutting student athletes is completely acceptable if they are getting paid. As long as the NCAA mandates they retain amateur status, they should be guaranteed 4 years of education. If they don't work out, it is on the coach making $4 million a year to decide who gets scholarships and who doesn't.

Everybody from the conference leadership, through university, to ADs, to coaches makes money off these kids. The least they can do is guarantee they get an education in the process.

I agree, it is a one year deal. What Saban is doing is completely within the rules. I am simply saying it shouldn't be this way...and oversigning needs to be a rule that is enforced.
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Agree completely. I was getting around to making this point but you did it better than I could have.
 
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vols-1 said:
Colleges, including TN, used to sign 45 players a year.
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That was before the scholarship limitations were put in place. These schools are essentially getting by that rule by weeding out guys every year.

Saban is using this as an advantage to upgrade his roster every year. Within his rights.

At least he's telling these kids on the front end what the deal is.

Once he has his roster stacked 3 deep with 4 and 5 star players, one would hope that kids would start looking elsewhere.
 
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rjd970 said:
Yeah, but said grade level is agreed upon before the contract is signed. What is the cutoff for a student athlete? So many minutes played? Depth chart? You tell me.
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no idea the qualifications but it appears, at least from the story, that the recruits are told it's a 1 year thing and they must continue to earn the money

rjd970 said:
There is fundamental differences between student athletes and an academic ones. How much money is being generated for the university? How much are they getting paid? IMO, cutting student athletes is completely acceptable if they are getting paid. As long as the NCAA mandates they retain amateur status, they should be guaranteed 4 years of education. If they don't work out, it is on the coach making $4 million a year to decide who gets scholarships and who doesn't.
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no one on an athletic scholarship is guaranteed 4 years. And both the academic and athletic side are being paid to go to school. It's not much but is better than many get. Both know the goals they need to hit to keep that money coming so it's just a matter of getting it done.

rjd970 said:
Everybody from the conference leadership, through university, to ADs, to coaches makes money off these kids. The least they can do is guarantee they get an education in the process.

I agree, it is a one year deal. What Saban is doing is completely within the rules. I am simply saying it shouldn't be this way...and oversigning needs to be a rule that is enforced.
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how much profit are you making off a kid who stays 5 years and never sees the field? These are the guys getting cut not the revenue producers. Is it tough? Sure, but it's how life works
 
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