Alex Grinch out at USC and that might start a DC carrousel if Heupel is looking to replace Banks.

[IndianaVol]

Here's my take on Banks and the DC spot at Tennessee.
It's Banks' job until it's not anymore and that will be a Tim Banks decision - if he wants a HC spot, someone in the next couple of years will offer it to him.

I don't see Banks deciding to leave UT for another DC spot unless that DC spot was a direct line to a HC position wherever he is heading (i.e. he would get bumped up when the current HC retires)…there are very, very, very few of those places left that are desirable.

All of that said, even with USC coming to the Big Ten (geographically where Banks started coaching and rose through the ranks), I don't see CTB leaving UT unless it is for a HC position.

 

[Casual Mustard Yeeter]

Tim Banks is up there with Casey Clausen on a list of under-appreciated Vols. The amount of vitriol he continues to get, even after victories, boggles my mind.

I mean, the crowd booed Kamal Hadden on freakin' Senior Night and he was our best DB. I love UT Football but our fans definitely suck sometimes.

 

[IndianaVol]

I think Banks is too prone to miscalculations in his game plans. That said, it is far more likely that he leaves for an HC or NFL job than terminated. His "averages" are good. It is the sporadic failures that make him frustrating.

That said, UT has a couple of CBs that look to have more talent than any of the veterans. Just need some seasoning. Great cover guys make DCs look like geniuses.

Totally agree - I still can't wrap my head around why at times in 3rd down situations we drop into zone when we pressed with the 3 or 4 man front the forst two downs to get to a 3rd and long situation.

I get it, in a 3rd and long situation a team is more likely to pass so you want more bodies downfield, but it seems to cost us in the fact that opposing OCs know this and either push the line for a nice run or simply play the averages and take a shot on a short pass to convert.

 

[FollowTheLeader]

I think Banks is too prone to miscalculations in his game plans. That said, it is far more likely that he leaves for an HC or NFL job than terminated. His "averages" are good. It is the sporadic failures that make him frustrating.

That said, UT has a couple of CBs that look to have more talent than any of the veterans. Just need some seasoning. Great cover guys make DCs look like geniuses.

 

[FollowTheLeader]

Totally agree - I still can't wrap my head around why at times in 3rd down situations we drop into zone when we pressed with the 3 or 4 man front the forst two downs to get to a 3rd and long situation.

I get it, in a 3rd and long situation a team is more likely to pass so you want more bodies downfield, but it seems to cost us in the fact that opposing OCs know this and either push the line for a nice run or simply play the averages and take a shot on a short pass to convert.

You should ask him.....or maybe watch some of his pressers, he's talked about it before.

 

[gray0306]

heupel is not replacing anyone

 

[sjt18]

Totally agree - I still can't wrap my head around why at times in 3rd down situations we drop into zone when we pressed with the 3 or 4 man front the forst two downs to get to a 3rd and long situation.

I get it, in a 3rd and long situation a team is more likely to pass so you want more bodies downfield, but it seems to cost us in the fact that opposing OCs know this and either push the line for a nice run or simply play the averages and take a shot on a short pass to convert.

I think at a minimum you have to switch it up. If the opponent knows you are going to sit back in zone then you lose.

 

[sjt18]

You should ask him.....or maybe watch some of his pressers, he's talked about it before.

I've watched many of them. He speaks to it. But he doesn't really answer it unless you count subtle blame shifting to the players.

Why are you such a big fan of Banks? Are you his daughter?

 

[FollowTheLeader]

I've watched many of them. He speaks to it. But he doesn't really answer it unless you count subtle blame shifting to the players.

Why are you such a big fan of Banks? Are you his daughter?

.
So Coach Banks blame SHIFTS to his PLAYERS?.......

 

[aRmo]

I think Banks is too prone to miscalculations in his game plans. That said, it is far more likely that he leaves for an HC or NFL job than terminated. His "averages" are good. It is the sporadic failures that make him frustrating.

That said, UT has a couple of CBs that look to have more talent than any of the veterans. Just need some seasoning. Great cover guys make DCs look like geniuses.

Strong DL makes the cover guys look like 1st round talent.

 

[FollowTheLeader]

I've watched many of them. He speaks to it. But he doesn't really answer it unless you count subtle blame shifting to the players.

Why are you such a big fan of Banks? Are you his daughter?

The bigger question is why you are such a coach Banks hater? Are you a jealous ex-girlfriend? Or just a bitter, biased miserable person? And no, I'm not Coach Banks daughter. If you knew anything about Coach Banks you'd know he has 2 daughters that passed away, so no living children.....

 

[05_never_again]

Just wanted to say, Lincoln Riley is as overrated as any coach in America. Had tons of talent at every place he's been and never won squat.

Who do people say he's a better coach than, if he's overrated? He's lost 15 games in 6+ seasons. That's pretty good, but nobody thinks he's better than any of the top coaches in the game.

He won the Big 12 4 times in 5 years at OU and made the CFP 3 times. His downfall always, always, has been the defense.

 

[njvols]

This is what I think so many fail to understand about Banks:

Being a DC under Heup isn't exactly an appealing position. If you're not good at what you do, it could be a career ruiner. Our offense is designed to score quick, which puts the defense in a tough position. Our DC is always going to have an uphill battle.

Banks was a very very very good hire with that in mind. And to retain him, and to see what he's done, is exceptional.

I hate the soft zone as much as anyone else, but at the end of the day, it's rarely the defense that causes us to lose when we do (with a few notable exceptions of course)

Agree! I'd argue that, the biggest factors in our losses were either lack of good play calling/execution on offense...and way too many penalties...the pre-snap penalties which put us behind the sticks are drive/momentum killers. You kill a couple drives and the next thing you know, you'd lost your mojo for the game. Our D has been largely satisfying, except when we get into the "can't get off the field on 3rd and long" scenarios.

 

[orangelo]

Fire Martinez go after Derek Mason as DB coach. I don’t know he takes the job but who knows. That would be a strong d room of coaches and recruiters

 

[Volfan1000]

The chances of Banks getting fired after how the defense has improved is probably sitting close to if not directly on 0%.

Banks has shown if he has talent, he can get the defense to perform. Just gotta keep building up the roster.

Banks could be contacted by other schools this off season.

 

[CNeagleVolFan]

Just wanted to say, Lincoln Riley is as overrated as any coach in America. Had tons of talent at every place he's been and never won squat.

He’s Jimbo 2.0 lol

 

[sjt18]

The bigger question is why you are such a coach Banks hater?

Because I'm not blind to his flaws? I don't "hate" him by any stretch of the imagination. There are times when I just say "wow" in the positive light. He was masterful vs A&M... one of the most talented Os UT has faced. Really he did a very good job vs Bama too. Both games they pressed and played tight in the back end. That makes it even more frustrating when he plays soft coverage... and then especially when people here then blame Martinez. I don't have a "dog" in that fight as far as being a fan of either coach. Fact remains that Banks is making the decisions that people want Martinez fired for.

Are you a jealous ex-girlfriend? Or just a bitter, biased miserable person?

Neither. Not close.

And no, I'm not Coach Banks daughter. If you knew anything about Coach Banks you'd know he has 2 daughters that passed away, so no living children.....

So you are a fan of him personally with a personal agenda to shift blame away from him? Seems to be the case. You need to get a clue and stop thinking that criticism equals "hate" or that not considering him perfect means that I think he's worthless.

He keeps doing this thing with soft coverage. Other games he doesn't. Be objective and look at which results in the better results against better opponents.

 

[sjt18]

.
So Coach Banks blame SHIFTS to his PLAYERS?.......

So you haven't watched his pressers or else watch them through a biased filter?

When he says "we" didn't make a play there in defense of a play call or scheme decision... he's not talking about himself.

FTR, I would LOVE for him to be as good as you apparently think he already is.

 

[VolInDayton]

Alex Grinch wrecked a season when the offense had the #1 overall pick of next year's draft playing QB, and you want to look at replacing Banks with him?

 

[37620VOL]

Let's just say Banks took another job because there are inherent difficulties in being the Vols DC. Justin Wilcox might be available and he has a similar style to Banks.

That said I hope Bank is in Knoxville longterm.

 

[hog88]

Why on earth would he get rid of Banks?

Now should he look for one of those "coaching assistants" like Saban hires to help Martinez with the DBs? 100% because while he might be a great recruited he sucks as a DB coach.

 

[FollowTheLeader]

Because I'm not blind to his flaws? I don't "hate" him by any stretch of the imagination. There are times when I just say "wow" in the positive light. He was masterful vs A&M... one of the most talented Os UT has faced. Really he did a very good job vs Bama too. Both games they pressed and played tight in the back end. That makes it even more frustrating when he plays soft coverage... and then especially when people here then blame Martinez. I don't have a "dog" in that fight as far as being a fan of either coach. Fact remains that Banks is making the decisions that people want Martinez fired for.

Neither. Not close.

So you are a fan of him personally with a personal agenda to shift blame away from him? Seems to be the case. You need to get a clue and stop thinking that criticism equals "hate" or that not considering him perfect means that I think he's worthless.

He keeps doing this thing with soft coverage. Other games he doesn't. Be objective and look at which results in the better results against better opponents.

First you need to be a HUMAN and apologize for asking if I am Coach Banks daughter, when his daughters are no longer living.

Second, since you are pointing out flaws, let's hear a few about each member of our current coaching staff.....bullet points would be great.

Third, yes, I am a personal and professional fan of this staff and will stand up for each and every one of them if they are being attacked, especially when we are having the best 3 years of UT football. No coach on this staff deserves the personal attacks. This team and this staff is a work in progress and we are WAY ahead of schedule.

When you're pointing out flaws, when the defense just made school history.....seems like HATE and bias, not an objective "look". Do better.

 

[GordonC]

I mean, the crowd booed Kamal Hadden on freakin' Senior Night and he was our best DB. I love UT Football but our fans definitely suck sometimes.

I agree with your sentiment on the fans booing Hadden, but when was this Senior Night of which you speak?
I mean, Senior Day will be the last home game against Vanderbilt.

 

[GordonC]

First you need to be a HUMAN and apologize for asking if I am Coach Banks daughter, when his daughters are no longer living.

Second, since you are pointing out flaws, let's here a few about each member of our current coaching staff.....bullet points would be great.

Third, yes, I am a personal and professional fan of this staff and will stand up for each and every one of them if they are being attacked, especially when we are having the best 3 years of UT football. No coach on this staff deserves the personal attacks. This team and this staff is a work in progress and we are WAY ahead of schedule.

When you're pointing out flaws, when the defense just made school history.....seems like HATE and bias, not an objective "look". Do better.

 

[dobre_shunka]

Totally agree - I still can't wrap my head around why at times in 3rd down situations we drop into zone when we pressed with the 3 or 4 man front the forst two downs to get to a 3rd and long situation.

I get it, in a 3rd and long situation a team is more likely to pass so you want more bodies downfield, but it seems to cost us in the fact that opposing OCs know this and either push the line for a nice run or simply play the averages and take a shot on a short pass to convert.

Tennessee's defensive 3rd down conversion rate is 33.8% which is 28th in FBS. Being in the top quartile isn't good enough?