Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

[0nelilreb]

I would think that wold give you pause.

It does , every time someone tries to convince me that they don’t do what they are accusing others of doing or to the degree .

 

[Boston Vol]

The right wing propaganda machine loves AOC and the "Squad". So easy.

Fox News fuels Trump's fixation with AOC and Ilhan Omar - CNN

But it has been true all year long: Ocasio-Cortez has been mentioned on Fox almost three times as often as she's been mentioned on CNN or MSNBC. This has fueled the perception, particularly on the right, that her positions and policies are representative of the Democratic Party as a whole.

CNN is too busy giving platforms to white nationalists.

 

[luthervol]

It does , every time someone tries to convince me that they don’t do what they are accusing others of doing or to the degree .

So you're one of those "everybody lies, so everybody lies equally; therefore lying doesn't matter" people?

 

[0nelilreb]

So you're one of those "everybody lies, so everybody lies equally; therefore lying doesn't matter" people?

I’m one of those that watches and listens . I’m one that the first thing I ask Is why . Why would someone from the left with the knowledge of the things I listed off ( we will call them assets for the cause ) try so hard to convince me that it’s the right wing machine that’s evil and does all the damage when it’s actually the left wing machine that controls all the levers .

 

[Burger]

The right wing propaganda machine loves AOC and the "Squad". So easy.

Fox News fuels Trump's fixation with AOC and Ilhan Omar - CNN

But it has been true all year long: Ocasio-Cortez has been mentioned on Fox almost three times as often as she's been mentioned on CNN or MSNBC. This has fueled the perception, particularly on the right, that her positions and policies are representative of the Democratic Party as a whole.

Finally caught on to the plot. Trump will take the wacist insults for the unique opportunity to brand a whole party as the mah free stuff party. He's the best brander in our lifetime.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

Quit ignoring the obvious. Fox talks about her 3 times more than either CNN or MSNBC. You're smart enough to understand the intent and implications.

Well of course they do. CNN & MSNBC covers for how insanely stupid she is on a daily basis. She somehow got elected to Congress and the only thing she's ever done is pour drinks.

 

[Weezer]

So you're one of those "everybody lies, so everybody lies equally; therefore lying doesn't matter" people?

Luther, you're an apologist for the left. In your mind, nothing they do reaches the level of the right. That's the problem with your degrees and your continuums, they are skewed by your personal bias. They have no basis in reality. You set rules you expect only the right to follow and dismiss when the left breaks them, spouting how in your mind it's not to the same degree.

Both parties are corrupt. Whether or not you want to agree that it's equal, I'm not sure how you can argue that corruption exists within both parties. That you defend that corruption in the left while attacking it in the right is absurd. You shouldn't be willing to accept any corruption in the system as okay. Degrees, continuums, it doesn't matter. It all needs to be rooted out.

 

[luthervol]

Finally caught on to the plot. Trump will take the wacist insults for the unique opportunity to brand a whole party as the mah free stuff party. He's the best brander in our lifetime.

There has never been any doubt about that being Trump's intent. The only question is in how easily controlled and manipulated his followers will be.
Looks as if it will continue to be astonishingly easy.

 

[luthervol]

Luther, you're an apologist for the left. In your mind, nothing they do reaches the level of the right. That's the problem with your degrees and your continuums, they are skewed by your personal bias. They have no basis in reality. You set rules you expect only the right to follow and dismiss when the left breaks them, spouting how in your mind it's not to the same degree.

Both parties are corrupt. Whether or not you want to agree that it's equal, I'm not sure how you can argue that corruption exists within both parties. That you defend that corruption in the left while attacking it in the right is absurd. You shouldn't be willing to accept any corruption in the system as okay. Degrees, continuums, it doesn't matter. It all needs to be rooted out.

Everyone's continuums and degrees are skewed by their perspectives and biases. Some more so than others....that's also a continuum.
Of course both parties have corruption. Of course all media has bias. Of course all politicians lie. Of course both sides use propaganda.........JUST NOT EQUALLY.

Fox (the right) has long been the worst.
Trump is a new low in pretty much every category.
To normalize them by saying "everybody does it" is just a cop out and permission for a continued downward spiral.
We all know there is corruption, lying, and propaganda...always has been and always will be. It just seems that as a society (as a collection of individuals) we would say...."but there is a line beyond which is unacceptable".

It's sort of like holding in football. It happens all the time, pretty much every play to some degree. Sometimes the holding is blatant and sometimes it is borderline. If your team is excessively holding but the refs are not calling it, you are not going to be yelling at the refs to point it out, but you may talk to your players on the sideline and tell them the refs are eventually going to call it. If the other team is blatantly holding on every play and the refs are not calling it, you're going to be screaming non stop at the refs. If they continue to not call it, you're going to send the game film to the league office. Team Trump blatantly holds on every play. If they don't start throwing the flag, it's going to change the way the game is played in a very unfortunate way. Same with late hits and unnecessary roughness. It's got to be called or the game will quickly get out of control.

 

[Weezer]

Everyone's continuums and degrees are skewed by their perspectives and biases. Some more so than others....that's also a continuum.
Of course both parties have corruption. Of course all media has bias. Of course all politicians lie. Of course both sides use propaganda.........JUST NOT EQUALLY.

Fox (the right) has long been the worst.
Trump is a new low in pretty much every category.
To normalize them by saying "everybody does it" is just a cop out and permission for a continued downward spiral.
We all know there is corruption, lying, and propaganda...always has been and always will be. It just seems that as a society (as a collection of individuals) we would say...."but there is a line beyond which is unacceptable".

It's sort of like holding in football. It happens all the time, pretty much every play to some degree. Sometimes the holding is blatant and sometimes it is borderline. If your team is excessively holding but the refs are not calling it, you are not going to be yelling at the refs to point it out, but you may talk to your players on the sideline and tell them the refs are eventually going to call it. If the other team is blatantly holding on every play and the refs are not calling it, you're going to be screaming non stop at the refs. If they continue to not call it, you're going to send the game film to the league office. Team Trump blatantly holds on every play. If they don't start throwing the flag, it's going to change the way the game is played in a very unfortunate way. Same with late hits and unnecessary roughness. It's got to be called or the game will quickly get out of control.

Like I said, apologist for the left.

 

[LouderVol]

Police officer suggests Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez should be shot, calling her a "vile idiot"

Lol. Goodbye job.

 

[luthervol]

Like I said, apologist for the left.

Like I said, they all do it so they're all equal, enabler.

 

[LouderVol]

The right wing propaganda machine loves AOC and the "Squad". So easy.

Fox News fuels Trump's fixation with AOC and Ilhan Omar - CNN

But it has been true all year long: Ocasio-Cortez has been mentioned on Fox almost three times as often as she's been mentioned on CNN or MSNBC. This has fueled the perception, particularly on the right, that her positions and policies are representative of the Democratic Party as a whole.

Same with Trump. And trump is the cause for their attention, which should get you thinking.

Should get everyone thinking

 

[luthervol]

Lol. Goodbye job.

Rispoli's comments actually came as he shared a link to a false story, attributing a quote to Ocasio-Cortez that the congresswoman had never said. The article was written by the satirical website Taters Gonna Tate and was titled: "Ocasio-Cortez On the Budget : 'We Pay Soldiers Too Much.'" Even the featured image of the article has a watermark clearly stating the content is satire. Snopes.com has also debunked the story, as "false."

Another example of the propagandized moronic base.

 

[LouderVol]

Not equally. I'm so tired of the "they all do it so no one is any worse than the other" nonsense. It's a weak minded cop out.

Really? Based on what?

Everyone ignores the stuff that their candidate does that is at best questionable.

There are always issues with every candidate. No one is perfect, but no one is willing to admit to the bad of theirs. Instead they focus on the bad of the other party so they can ignore their own bad.

Think logically, is there any way one side is actually THAT much better than the other? They're not. Just look at the results, any result you want to. Things dont change drastically between party in power. Dont look at media coverage, look at actual results and it's easy to see they are the same.

 

[LouderVol]

I don't mind having that wing of the democratic party in the least. I'm thrilled that there is a wide range between the most conservative and liberal democrats. I think it's a great thing.
The fact that Fox and the right wing propaganda machine is going all out to portray the "the squad" as representative of the democratic party is sad. The fact that the propaganda is so willingly consumed by the gullible is even sadder.

Has any major candidate for the Dems come out against them? Most of them have backed them up and doubled down. Trying to cast them as outsiders is wrong.

It's the same slippery slope the party has been on for a while. First it was there is no socialism, then it became well we arent communists, then there was some slight admittance to socialism, then you had Bernie in 2016 shoving the socialist aspect into the lime light. There has been a hard jog left since then, with every major candidate openly espousing views they admit are socialist.

 

[LouderVol]

I already told you , 2020 is coming . Stop playing checkers , the chess match has already started .

Trump is shooting the nation in the foot with this. He is speeding up our adoption of socialist measures. It helps him short term, long term he doesnt care.

 

[0nelilreb]

Trump is shooting the nation in the foot with this. He is speeding up our adoption of socialist measures. It helps him short term, long term he doesnt care.

I don’t disagree with that outcome . I also dont know of another way that it could be slowed down , the Dems decided they wanted to move further left . It will have to cycle through . The next centrist will have a chance after the Dems finally get in with a hard left leaner .

 

[LouderVol]

Rispoli's comments actually came as he shared a link to a false story, attributing a quote to Ocasio-Cortez that the congresswoman had never said. The article was written by the satirical website Taters Gonna Tate and was titled: "Ocasio-Cortez On the Budget : 'We Pay Soldiers Too Much.'" Even the featured image of the article has a watermark clearly stating the content is satire. Snopes.com has also debunked the story, as "false."

Another example of the propagandized moronic base.

You really cant talk with how much the story Russia was bought and sold. Everyone had evidence. They were just waiting for the FBI to finish.

 

[LouderVol]

I don’t disagree with that outcome . I also dont know of another way that it could be slowed down , the Dems decided they wanted to move further left . It will have to cycle through . The next centrist will have a chance after the Dems finally get in with a hard left leaner .

Actually provide good policy and dont be a jerk about it. Even people who vote for trump generally dont like the way he runs his mouth. The Rs should be running away with things right now if they actually were worth a crap. But they arent they would rather go partisan than go good.

 

[0nelilreb]

Has any major candidate for the Dems come out against them? Most of them have backed them up and doubled down. Trying to cast them as outsiders is wrong.

It's the same slippery slope the party has been on for a while. First it was there is no socialism, then it became well we arent communists, then there was some slight admittance to socialism, then you had Bernie in 2016 shoving the socialist aspect into the lime light. There has been a hard jog left since then, with every major candidate openly espousing views they admit are socialist.

You left out the “ Democratic Socialism “ is completely different explanation part , I enjoyed that one .

 

[0nelilreb]

Actually provide good policy and dont be a jerk about it. Even people who vote for trump generally dont like the way he runs his mouth. The Rs should be running away with things right now if they actually were worth a crap. But they arent they would rather go partisan than go good.

It’s the cycle of political power . What they ( as in all of them ) should do and what they choose to do just to keep power is almost always different .

 

[Burger]

There has never been any doubt about that being Trump's intent. The only question is in how easily controlled and manipulated his followers will be.
Looks as if it will continue to be astonishingly easy.

Just as easily as any other partisan fan base.

 

[LouderVol]

It’s the cycle of political power . What they ( as in all of them ) should do and what they choose to do just to keep power is almost always different .

Yup. Which is why I dont vote for them and why I have no problem pointing out to Luther how dumb his argument was there.

 

[0nelilreb]

Yup. Which is why I dont vote for them and why I have no problem pointing out to Luther how dumb his argument was there.

Luther’s special . He wants to believe so badly it tints the ole glasses . He’s a VOLS football fan though so I understand .