All Beck related discussions from last night (merged)

[Ttucke11]

I find it strange the generation who used sniffing salts, celebrated helmet to helmet collisions, played no blood no foul basketball, encouraged fastballs to the head and a million mound charges hates a little showmanship on the bases.

 

[BreatheUT]

I think the sooner we stop talking about this then the sooner this starts to go away. If we keep stirring it up then the national media and other fans bases will sense it and keep talking about it. So don't be surprised. This is my last post on the topic.

 

[DaddyChad]

It's classless. How would you feel if another's team player did it to us?

20 years ago it's a 1 game suspension. Don't think it will be one now, but you never know with the NCAA. Just seems silly for the NCAA to be worrying about that with their house burning down around them on everything else.

They should go back to their focus on keeping Nicky Satan happy.

I feel the same way I’ve always felt. Same in football, same in baseball, if you want to stop a team from celebrating, “being classless”, etc beat them. I feel the same on both ends.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

What in the world is going on in your avatar?

Bat flip was awesome and a positive release of excitement. Bird flip was a different story IMO. However, I don't see it as a huge deal, think it should be addressed between coach and player and move on.

Just curious, if this happened in MLB, would the player be fined?

Probably. Maybe a one game suspension but honestly that would probably be determined by who the player was.

 

[MT_Vol]

Embarrassed by a middle finger from a 21 year old in the heat of the moment? It's not like he got arrested for DUI, or something truly embarrassing.

 

[BreatheUT]

Okay this is just funny

Some of these top offenses are taking a blow this weekend. Good because after this past weekend we have seen some video game type runs scored. My only question is where is that Campbell offense ranked. They had some tough batters.

 

[Grappler]

I believe it's all about consequences.... and a lot of those fastballs to the head was a consequence of a over the top bat flip or a bird.... likewise if one of those fastballs got away you had better be prepared to for a mound charge.

 

[DukeDaisySam]

The NFL used to penalize celebrations but stopped doing that because they realized it was stupid

These guys are college athletes.

 

[Aerie Vol]

I think the sooner we stop talking about this then the sooner this starts to go away. If we keep stirring it up then the national media and other fans bases will sense it and keep talking about it. So don't be surprised. This is my last post on the topic.

I'm tapping out too. Just realized I'm on crack.


No, rather seriously, most all of y'all are. Do you realize that drama and conflict result in a dopamine high that is very similar to drugs? News flash, that's why most of you are here. You can't quit it.

"Wow, what a great game, let's go Vols," when said by everyone on the forum doesn't result in drama. So....some of you show up to stir the pot just to feel the high. Others, race in to defend against the stirrers, to feel the high.

We are all addicts. Put down the pipe, er...keyboard, and walk away.

 

[Volprofch05]

I mean, some of my most fond memories as a child were watching the Red Sox-Yankees in the late 90's/early 2000's getting in benches clearing brawls practically every series. I'll never forget Pedro Martinez goading Don Zimmer and then slinging him on the ground when Zimmer stupidly charged him. Now, Pedro is a MLB Network analyst and seen as a GOAT. Flipping the bird seems so tame in comparison.

I have strong memories of that rivalry as well, although from the other perspective

 

[BigALWiLson]

Truth is in the middle Go Vols. Beat ND

 

[cncchris33]

I am sure you would not cross intellectual moral lines and give a player a techno finger like this without researching his rational for this action. Please share your findings. Won't make his actions any more right or wrong but might take your actions out of the classless irresponsible fan reaction status. it presently resides in. This moral high ground stuff sure is fun.

This reads like a unnecessarily elaborate version of you saying, "I disagree with you". That's fine. It doesn't change my opinion. Calling it the moral high ground, though, is laughable, as if I'm supposed to take offense to you pointing out my supposed level of morality. Using your standard, essentially no one is above reproach, and there is no wrong.

I'm sure we'd find you here pounding the table in support for GT catcher, Kevin Parada, if he had flipped off Drew Gilbert in CF.

 

[GRRN7MAXIMS]

I find it strange the generation who used sniffing salts, celebrated helmet to helmet collisions, played no blood no foul basketball, encouraged fastballs to the head and a million mound charges hates a little showmanship on the bases.

Now that is an interesting take! So here's my thought on the way the game was played then versus now. Let's take a pitcher that earholes a kid on purpose. Do we charge the mound, clear the benches, and then suspend half the dam team and all the coaches for leaving the dugout? Or do we get up and have a few choice words or maybe just a stare down until the next guy hits a bomb, bat flips, celebrates with his teammates, throws on a daddy hat and fur coat while having fun?

 

[tn4elvis]

I personally think this is appropriate in this thread.

 

[vader]

To be fair, Bautista did get punched in the face later

 

[whobethis16]

This reads like a unnecessarily elaborate version of you saying, "I disagree with you". That's fine. It doesn't change my opinion. Calling it the moral high ground, though, is laughable, as if I'm supposed to take offense to you pointing out my supposed level of morality. Using your standard, essentially no one is above reproach, and there is no wrong.

I'm sure we'd find you here pounding the table in support for GT catcher, Kevin Parada, if he had flipped off Drew Gilbert in CF.

That's the biggest thing. This board has been full of people whining and complaining about how "everyone HATES us!", "why are we not getting respect?!", and then cheer when our guys act like this. No, I don't think these guys are bad off the field. But the problem is, the large majority only sees what happens on the field. If you don't want people to hate you for what you're doing, don't do it.

 

[ru4real-really?]

Some of these top offenses are taking a blow this weekend. Good because after this past weekend we have seen some video game type runs scored. My only question is where is that Campbell offense ranked. They had some tough batters.

Love the Avitar of Joe. Change "build back worse" to "worser is better"

 

[MT_Vol]

That's the biggest thing. This board has been full of people whining and complaining about how "everyone HATES us!", "why are we not getting respect?!", and then cheer when our guys act like this. No, I don't think these guys are bad off the field. But the problem is, the large majority only sees what happens on the field. If you don't want people to hate you for what you're doing, don't do it.

The team feeds on the hate.

 

[Wireless1]

I think the sooner we stop talking about this then the sooner this starts to go away. If we keep stirring it up then the national media and other fans bases will sense it and keep talking about it. So don't be surprised. This is my last post on the topic.

Although, I'm glad this took the spotlight off Russell.

 

[tn4elvis]

That's the biggest thing. This board has been full of people whining and complaining about how "everyone HATES us!", "why are we not getting respect?!", and then cheer when our guys act like this. No, I don't think these guys are bad off the field. But the problem is, the large majority only sees what happens on the field. If you don't want people to hate you for what you're doing, don't do it.

I personally like being hated I wish we were hated in Football too.

 

[bpalmer28]

I think there may be a generational divide here. I am almost 50 and really dislike a lot of the antics we are seeing in sports today and the Vol baseball team is no exception. I love the fun, winning culture CTV has brought in but not some of the celebrating/ drawing attention to yourself/showing up the other team antics. I am willing to bet fryeguy is younger and cncchris is older.
I particularly hate it when I see it spill over into the youth sports. I help coach my kids basketball and soccer teams and love the kids but you see a lot of the bad sportmanship antics from the parents and the kids as they get older.
Maybe I am clutching at Pearls and need to get over it. Just a perspective.

I'm 36 and I hate it too, but generally speaking I think you're right. Most sports fans in my generation love seeing stuff like what we saw from Beck. It's entertainment to them. It seems like I'm one of the few in my generation who like the competitive attitude but hate the way he displayed it. You have to have more self-control than than in my opinion.

 

[MAD]

Gator chomp is 100 times more offensive.

 

[bpalmer28]

I find it strange the generation who used sniffing salts, celebrated helmet to helmet collisions, played no blood no foul basketball, encouraged fastballs to the head and a million mound charges hates a little showmanship on the bases.

That's a good point as well.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

For beck? I can’t really recall a scenario where a player flipped off the opponent in a baseball game. Anyone know of any other instances and I’d there was any sort of suspension?

The vast majority of unsportsmanlike conduct is associated with actions taken towards officials and their decisions, but the one coverall for this type situation I THINK is Rule 2-54

Misconduct SECTION 54. Misconduct is any act of dishonesty, unsportsmanlike conduct or unprofessional behavior that discredits the contest, the institutions or intercollegiate athletics

Picking your nose could be covered by this too, so anything is possible. Not sure if throwing the finger at the baseball will trigger trouble or not. Of course it is clear officials and their bosses don't read the book either since they never acknowledged that the refs INCORRECTLY applied the penalty statement for Rule 7 for an appendix G violation for using an otherwise legal bat that does not have a sticker. On top of that not one talking head locally or nationally called them on it. Since the action was not directed at an official or a specific player or group of players it would be a real reach. Not out of reach for the creative minded league office though.

 

[CAVPUT]

I find it strange the generation who used sniffing salts, celebrated helmet to helmet collisions, played no blood no foul basketball, encouraged fastballs to the head and a million mound charges hates a little showmanship on the bases.

Now you're talkin'. Let's bring back eye gouging and the clothesline tackle. Loved the game back then.