All-SEC Awards

#31
#31
Our first teamers are complimented with Reese and Moore while floridas are complimented with 4 and 5 star players. There is a big difference.
 
#32
#32
We have 2 all sec and 1 all D player and people still say we don't have enough talent. That's plenty fellas. Has been all year. You dont need 5 chiefs. We have role players like Moore and Maymon, who is 3rd in sec reb, and enough pg play to have 2 teammates make the first team. And Reese does fine buying minutes and getting rebounds on both ends.
Enough excuses about talent.
 
#33
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Spartacavolus said:
We have 2 all sec and 1 all D player and people still say we don't have enough talent. That's plenty fellas. Has been all year. You dont need 5 chiefs. We have role players like Moore and Maymon, who is 3rd in sec reb, and enough pg play to have 2 teammates make the first team. And Reese does fine buying minutes and getting rebounds on both ends.
Enough excuses about talent.
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Role players still produce more than a combined 0 for 11 from the field. For every argument you make about how talented the team is, there's an equal argument about that talent not executing consistently.
 
#34
#34
CAVol said:
Our first teamers are complimented with Reese and Moore while floridas are complimented with 4 and 5 star players. There is a big difference.
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You don't think Donavon can win the SEC this year with our team? Really? Swap coaches with FL and put CCM in Gator country and bring Donavon here and TN is easily #1 in the SEC.
 
#35
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Spartacavolus said:
We have 2 all sec and 1 all D player and people still say we don't have enough talent. That's plenty fellas. Has been all year. You dont need 5 chiefs. We have role players like Moore and Maymon, who is 3rd in sec reb, and enough pg play to have 2 teammates make the first team. And Reese does fine buying minutes and getting rebounds on both ends.
Enough excuses about talent.
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Who has said there's a lack of talent and that it's an excuse to not make the dance? I haven't seen it if it's been posted.

I see people saying we aren't as talented as Florida, but that's hardly an excuse IMO.
 
#36
#36
johnnybravo said:
You don't think Donavon can win the SEC this year with our team? Really? Swap coaches with FL and put CCM in Gator country and bring Donavon here and TN is easily #1 in the SEC.
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Not sure anyone is saying Martin's a better coach than Donovan, but I don't think Donovan has Tennessee ranked #1 in the country no.
 
#37
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whobethis16 said:
Role players still produce more than a combined 0 for 11 from the field. For every argument you make about how talented the team is, there's an equal argument about that talent not executing consistently.
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Team doesn't lack talent. Period. Its stupid commentary to say they do. 2 all sec players, all sec d, and you complain about lack of talent.
In bp's runs to ncaa tourneys, we never had 2 first teamers and all sec D player.
 
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#38
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Spartacavolus said:
Team doesn't lack talent. Period. Its stupid commentary to say they do. 2 all sec players, all sec d, and you complain about lack of talent.
In bp's runs to ncaa tourneys, we never had 2 first teamers and all sec D player.
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Imagine rating players on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being the best. If you have two 10s, one 8 and seven 3s vs a team with two 9s, two 7s, four 6s and two 5s, who wins? I'd take team 2 with the more balance every day.
 
#39
#39
bleedingTNorange said:
Who has said there's a lack of talent and that it's an excuse to not make the dance? I haven't seen it if it's been posted.

I see people saying we aren't as talented as Florida, but that's hardly an excuse IMO.
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Putting words in my mouth again? Nowhere in my post you quoted do I post what you refer to in your first sentence.

Fact is this team has plenty of talent. Up there with UF and above all other sec teams. Top 15 in the country talent.
 
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#42
#42
Spartacavolus said:
Missed that one. And how did that team do? Did people talk about a lack of talent? Jajuan and Lofton combined for 3 stars.
Lack of talent debate for this team is for those that don't understand the game or role players.
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that team did well but I'm not sure every all-SEC player is equal. The SEC put 6 teams in that year so it was probably stronger

I would take 2 or 3 of the players listed in 2008 over anyone we have now
 
#43
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bleedingTNorange said:
Not sure anyone is saying Martin's a better coach than Donovan, but I don't think Donovan has Tennessee ranked #1 in the country no.
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You quoted me saying #1 in the SEC not country. I do think Donavon could coach this year's team to possibly top 10 in the country though.
 
#44
#44
utvolpj said:
that team did well but I'm not sure every all-SEC player is equal. The SEC put 6 teams in that year so it was probably stronger

I would take 2 or 3 of the players listed in 2008 over anyone we have now
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Probably only Lofton over Stokes. Nobody else.

With Tyler not having an outside shot. I would take McRae over him. JuJuan Smith easily over Richardson.

If I was picking teams:
First choice: Lofton
2nd: Stokes
3rd: McRae
4th: T. Smith
5th: J. Smith
6th: Chism
7th: Richardson
7th:
 
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#45
#45
Jajuan in this system wouldn't be on the radar. And jrich would have been just nasty under BP.

It still goes back to talent. We have plenty and arguing otherwise is silly.
 
#47
#47
johnnybravo said:
You quoted me saying #1 in the SEC not country. I do think Donavon could coach this year's team to possibly top 10 in the country though.
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Your original post...

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Yep, on paper not much difference between us and FL. The difference in us not being no. 1 is top coach like Donavon.
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So if there's not much difference between us and FL, why does Donovan have Florida #1, but yet you say he would have Tennessee 10?
 
#48
#48
We're not as talented as UF on the bench (entirely Martin's fault due to his "take anyone" diamond in the rough recruiting method). But we're close enough in the major minutes guys that UF shouldn't have finished 7 games ahead of us in a league that only plays 18 games.
 
#49
#49
bleedingTNorange said:
Your original post...



So if there's not much difference between us and FL, why does Donovan have Florida #1, but yet you say he would have Tennessee 10?
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You quoted me saying #1 in the SEC. This quote just says #1. Not in the country. #1 in the SEC is what I meant. And in my opinion we would not be hoping to beat Ark to get in the tourney if Donavon was coaching UT. IMO we would probably be a top 10 team.
 
#50
#50
as has been discussed before, there is a difference between pure talent and developed talent.

so, there is a point to be made about coaching.

all of donovan's teams (except the mike miller squad) were solid to very good recruits, but did not have jaw dropping talent at the time of their recruitment.

one of the things that makes me laugh about the championship squads is that people speak of that team as if it was the fab 5 when they were signed. well, sorry, but that aint the case. kansas, north carolina, etc, were not after horford, noah, etc, etc, etc.

so, there is pure talent. then, there is taking that talent and squeezing out the most you can.

i do believe there are coaches who would have gotten more out of tennessee with what is there. i also believe some of the players would be better players than what they are if coached by someone else.
 
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