All-SEC Awards

#76
#76
johnnybravo said:
He possibly could. I'm not really saying that he couldn't. Wichita St is #2 and I think our team is more talented than theirs. They are a very good team, but they are where they are at because of the benefit of their schedule and their coach. So, like I said flip coaches how many loses do we really have. We definitely win the FL games with CCM coaching the teams. Maybe at Wichita St and possibly KY as loses? All other games I would have a W by TN instead of a loss. That would more than likely be top 2 or 3.
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How can you guarantee 2 wins over Florida? Martin has beaten Donovan more than he's lost lok
 
#77
#77
Spartacavolus said:
Everytime somebody has made that argument, Bto would chime in that CM had Donovans number which meant he was a better coach.
Funny how he did a 180 flip on that stance a few posts back.
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Actually I never said he was a better coach than Donovan, look who's putting words in someone's mouth now
 
#78
#78
I used to think Donovan was just pretty good, but now I'm starting to get to the point where I think he might be great.

Looks like Mark Fox gets to keep coaching UGA after putting together a decent year in the SEC, probably good news for us and bad news for UGA basketball

Stallings is rebuilding and will have a good team in a couple years.

Frank Martin is a solid coach IMO, but USCe is a haaaard place to win at.

I would figure that Cal is NBA bound, but it looks like Adam Silver is gonna implement the 2 year rule and that likely keeps Cal in college.

Auburn, Miss State have a long way to go, Ole Miss was lightning in a bottle last year for a time, it didn't carry over. Grant is suddenly struggling at Bama and I don't see it improving anytime soon. LSU has been close, but can't get over the hump, much like Arky and their inability to win away games.

Haith holds Mizzou back IMO and A&M hasn't shown anything outside the ability to beat us.


Moral of this story? SEC is wide open for the foreseeable future outside those top 2 spots.
 
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#80
#80
johnnybravo said:
Pretty funny. Everybody was waiting for that one. Somebody even said it a few posts back.
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Notice nowhere in my post did I say Martin's a better coach, I just think guaranteeing 2 wins verse a coach you have a losing record against is borderline idiotic.
 
#83
#83
bleedingTNorange said:
Notice nowhere in my post did I say Martin's a better coach, I just think guaranteeing 2 wins verse a coach you have a losing record against is borderline idiotic.
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You have 3 days left to be able to use that one in any Donavon vs CCM discussion. I'm willing to bet on that.
 
#84
#84
johnnybravo said:
IMO we have enough talent to have a 7 possibly 8 man rotation to win the SEC by flipping Donavon with CCM.
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And you go right on believing that Johnny Bravo. I'll continue to believe Donavans ass would pucker if he had to do that. Trade his team for ours? I support UT and the program. Donavan has recruited well the past 10 damn years. He HAS a deep team and he's developed guys along the way. Oh, and he hasn't had to develop them in one year. He has a solid roster and has had for years. And where do you get we have a 7-8 man rotation? Really? I count down 6 guys, one of them on the mend which leaves us with 5. Where do you get 7-8?
 
#85
#85
HBCButch said:
And you go right on believing that Johnny Bravo. I'll continue to believe Donavans ass would pucker if he had to do that. Trade his team for ours? I support UT and the program. Donavan has recruited well the past 10 damn years. He HAS a deep team and he's developed guys along the way. Oh, and he hasn't had to develop them in one year. He has a solid roster and has had for years. And where do you get we have a 7-8 man rotation? Really? I count down 6 guys, one of them on the mend which leaves us with 5. Where do you get 7-8?
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My point is that Donavon is a good enough coach to win with his players or yours. CCM is a coach that has 3 All SEC players on it and loses to teams such as UTEP, Vandy, A&M, NC ST, etc.....

We only have a 5 man rotation? Hmmm....that's a lot of minutes for the starting 5.
 
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#87
#87
bleedingTNorange said:
So then he will be .500, still not bad :) It's ok though, tell us all how bad Nc State will be, and criticize anyone who thinks otherwise.
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I'm pretty sure the NCST discussion was about marquee home games. I remember someone saying that the home attendance this year would be better than last year even without the big ticket games that we have been use to having. Not even close.
 
#88
#88
johnnybravo said:
I'm pretty sure the NCST discussion was about marquee home games. I remember someone saying that the home attendance this year would be better than last year even without the big ticket games that we have been use to having. Not even close.
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You said NCST RPI would be 150+, would you like me to bump it for you?
 
#89
#89
omghulkhands said:
I used to think Donovan was just pretty good, but now I'm starting to get to the point where I think he might be great.
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imo, he's the best hire florida has ever made in any sport, ever.

if (and it's a big if) florida pulls it off and gets another national title, he's in extremely elite company. he's in pretty good company with 2, but 3 would be another level.

and i still argue (but no one nationally ever says this), that the achievement is even more impressive considering where he is doing it. we aren't kansas. we aren't north carolina. we don't sell out our arena. florida only made the ncaa tournament 5 times before donovan arrived at the school.

to become a national power, and i think florida has been good enough for long enough that this is a legitimate label, in basketball at florida i didn't even think was possible.

for those who don't quite get it, imagine florida's women's basketball program winning conference titles, making final fours, and winning national championships. it was/is that kind of achievement.
 
#92
#92
golfballs said:
It's pretty simple:

Florida talent > Tennessee talent
Florida coach > Tennessee coach

What is there to argue about?
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Whoever decided the all-sec rankings don't appear to agree with you on the talent as both TN and FL have 3 guys showing up in the rankings? Maymon has been there before and his recent play is getting closer to the all-sec Maymon of 2 years ago.

Coaching - no debate there.
 
#93
#93
walkenvol said:
Whoever decided the all-sec rankings don't appear to agree with you on the talent as both TN and FL have 3 guys showing up in the rankings? Maymon has been there before and his recent play is getting closer to the all-sec Maymon of 2 years ago.

Coaching - no debate there.
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A team doesn't consist of just 3 players.
 
#95
#95
bleedingTNorange said:
Those were my personal expectations, I didn't shoot them down and tell others how foolish they were if they though otherwise.
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And NCST was expected to be in the bottom half of the ACC by just about every single analyst in the country before the season started. I didn't call anyone a fool for disagreeing with all the college experts in the country if they thought NCST would be better than expected. They have a great coach and has exceeded their preseason expectations . It's amazing what good coaching can do. If you want to go post searching, you can see what I did disagree with at the beginning of the season was the Martin lovers pumping sunshine about how our home schedule was not that bad with NCST and Virginia on it. I remember the Martin lover's saying that our attendance would not fall. Not a lot of popcorn being sold at TBA this past year. Guess I was right about the attendance.
 
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#96
#96
johnnybravo said:
And NCST was expected to be in the bottom half of the ACC by just about every single analyst in the country before the season started. I didn't call anyone fooling for disagreeing with all the college experts in the country if they thought NCST would be better than expected. They have a great coach and has exceeded their preseason expectations . It's amazing what good coaching can do. If you want to go post searching, you can see what I did disagree with at the beginning of the season was the Martin lovers pumping sunshine about how our home schedule was not that bad with NCST and Virginia on it. I remember the Martin lover's saying that our attendance would not fall. Not a lot of popcorn being sold at TBA this past year.
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By that logic, Martin is a great coach. We were picked 11th in the SEC and finished 2nd his first year.
 
#97
#97
CAVol said:
By that logic, Martin is a great coach. We were picked 11th in the SEC and finished 2nd his first year.
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What's funny is when I posted that I actually laughed cause I knew this would be the first response. So, I guess CCM has taken the last 2 years off then. I wish I could do that with my job.

What's really funny is there are so few that claim that they are Martin lovers now. They will post saying that "he's not a good fit here" or that "they don't think he'll get the job done" so they can be "on the record" as not being in the Martin lover's group. But, you can't change a zebra's stripes. They are quick to come out and throw a jab at how great a coach CCM is when they get the opportunity.
 
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#99
#99
johnnybravo said:
What's funny is when I posted that I actually laughed cause I knew this would be the first response. So, I guess CCM has taken the last 2 years off then. I wish I could do that with my job.

What's really funny is there are so few that claim that they are Martin lovers now. They will post saying that "he's not a good fit here" or that "they don't think he'll get the job done" so they can be "on the record" as not being in the Martin lover's group. But, you can't change a zebra's stripes. They are quick to come out and throw a jab at how great a coach CCM is when they get the opportunity.
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That wasn't my opinion. I was just being the devil's advocate and pointing out the flaw in your logic.

If the last part of that was directed towards me then let me assure you that once my stripes changed after the second A&M loss that they haven't gone back. I don't think he can get the job done, but I'm hopeful that he can learn and grow into a good head coach.
 
#100
#100
golfballs said:
A team doesn't consist of just 3 players.
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Agreed, but only 5 play at a time and only 1 can shoot the ball. There has to be some roles players also, everyone can't be all-sec on your team. Simply not enough opportunities / shots / minutes to go around.

I would say the current 3 on the all-sec list along with Maymon who was on the list before his injury and recently is playing closer to his pre-injury level makes 4 top quality sec players. Any good coach could make a highly competitive team from that.
 
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