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Life is full of possibilities. Maybe the had something to do with those deaths, maybe not. Maybe Trump colluded, maybe not. I don't know and have no way of knowing. End of the day, I don't like Hillary, something I've clearly stated repeatedly. People pick and choose what they want to believe. Without proof, how do we know what is real and what's not?
 
There comes a point when there's either evidence of what "people are saying" or there isn't.
I've seen plenty of evidence to support that both Hillary and Trump are horrible people. One of them had to win.
 
Apparently you took a different track of conversation than I.
Apparently.

I was responding to your post that you didn’t believe the interference had any impact. The acknowledgement that Hillary was a bad candidate was baked in to my acknowledgement that that’s a reasonable statement.

The other point was that the interference was partly determined to be a misinformation campaign. People are obviously not immune to misinformation. The election was extremely close. Not many people would need to be influenced by the Russians to swing the election. Therefore, the opposite belief is also plausible.

Obviously, neither can be proven.
 
It's probably because we are now super sensitive to it and also because the means of spreading any kind of information has multiplied so quickly in such a short time. There has always been misinformation/propaganda but not with this many ways of spreading it.
 
It's an interesting question. I assume human nature has more or less remained constant in its vulnerability to be mislead.

Presumably, people may have been somewhat easier to trick when the populous was less educated, more superstitious. And there were fewer information sources--basically just print and word of mouth. Control one or the other and you're half way there.

Now we have more information sources than ever, much of it at our finger tips. On the other hand, the art of misleading has become more sophisticated, and there's little to stop its almost instantaneous distribution. This momentum, in and of itself, makes it more believable.

It seems like the hacking problem: computer defenses are constantly improving, but always a step behind the hackers.

I saw a talk where George Will argues that eventually people will get tired of Facebook/Twitter. Well, they may grow weary of a tweeting president, but I'm afraid viral information is going to continue to sweep over the land, for better or worse.
 
Apparently.

I was responding to your post that you didn’t believe the interference had any impact. The acknowledgement that Hillary was a bad candidate was baked in to my acknowledgement that that’s a reasonable statement.

The other point was that the interference was partly determined to be a misinformation campaign. People are obviously not immune to misinformation. The election was extremely close. Not many people would need to be influenced by the Russians to swing the election. Therefore, the opposite belief is also plausible.

Obviously, neither can be proven.
If Hillary campaigns in a couple of specific states instead of assuming it was in the bag then she likely wins.
It’s just that simple. She got outplayed by Trump.
 
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If Hillary campaigns in a couple of specific states instead of assuming it was in the bag then she likely wins.
It’s just that simple. She got outplayed by Trump.

Again, it’s plausible, maybe probable. It’s not certain. You can’t acknowledge that the election was that close and discount that it could have been effected without either disbelieving that the Russians made an effort or that people are gullible enough to be persuaded by it.

Neither of those conclusions is valid.
 
Again, it’s plausible, maybe probable. It’s not certain. You can’t acknowledge that the election was that close and discount that it could have been effected without either disbelieving that the Russians made an effort or that people are gullible enough to be persuaded by it.

Neither of those conclusions is valid.
You also cannot say that the middle school glee club from wassup Michigan wasn’t as effective as the Russians in their meme campaign.
 
Cute cat.

Like I said, either conclusion is reasonable. Neither can be proven. Maybe you should just stick to “nothing is going to happen.”

2 sides of the same coin.
They’re exactly the same and status quo will be maintained.

Maybe you’ll wake up one day
 
You also cannot say that the middle school glee club from wassup Michigan wasn’t as effective as the Russians in their meme campaign.
How much sway do celebrities have? How many are constantly bashing Trump or some other Republican on social media? Even celebrities that don't hold American citizenship. Celebrities are constantly soliciting their followers to take up their political causes.
 
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It's up to the accusers to prove it, not the accused. Innocent until proven guilty, remember? So if you believe it had an effect, you prove it. Otherwise, it's baseless speculation.

Prove that it’s uncertain whether it had an effect or not? Sure.

The Russians used misinformation to interfere in the election:
Full text: The Mueller report

The election was close:
2016 Election Results: President Live Map by State, Real-Time Voting Updates

People believe misinformation:
Politics

My opinion is based on facts. So far you guys have gifs of cats and attempts to change the subject to Hillary.
 
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Prove that it’s uncertain whether it had an effect or not? Sure.

The Russians used misinformation to interfere in the election:
Full text: The Mueller report

The election was close:
2016 Election Results: President Live Map by State, Real-Time Voting Updates

People believe misinformation:
Politics

My opinion is based on facts. So far you guys have gifs of cats and attempts to change the subject to Hillary.
Life is uncertain, bub. I'm not certain I'll wake up tomorrow, or the next day, or the next day. If you want to claim the Russians effected the outcome of the election, prove it. We're not talking about possibilities. All this could've BS goes no where. I could win the lottery if I ever bought a ticket but it doesn't mean I will. Russia could have changed the outcome but that doesn't mean they did. If you're going to dance around the assertion that they did, have the balls to own it. And if you believe that they did, then like I said, prove it.
 

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