America founded by Terrorist

#27
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loggervol said:
would you call what john paul jones did terrorist attacks or sea battles?did we ever land troops in england?
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He raided Whitehaven, intending to burn the merchant fleet and coal tenders in the harbor, as well as set fires within the town. Incompetence and drunkenness of the crew resulted in only one ship being set fire to and the rest of the flames put out by the town.

LG's post on rebel/terrorist pretty much describes Jones. He was considered a pirate by Great Britain, but just a man with enormous cajones by America.
 
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It is kind of funny that the same "terrorist" that "founded" this country also penned the Constitution allowing that dumbass coffee jockey to say whatever he wants to in public. There are plenty of places on earth that would call for the removal of his tongue for saying something like that.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
Living Constitution?

Yeah, no thanks.
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Don't shoot the messenger. I admit it is a problematic notion, but, then again, so is the notion of a document that is supposed to serve every American society equally well from here on to eternity.
 
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volprof said:
Don't shoot the messenger. I admit it is a problematic notion, but, then again, so is the notion of a document that is supposed to serve every American society equally well from here on to eternity.
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The Constitution has served our nation very well, even though it's been butchered repeatedly over the past 150 years. The men who wrote it were much wiser than anyone currently serving in Washington.
 
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Again, it depends on how one wants to define "terrorist". If one wants to make the term inclusive of the bulk of the insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan, then one would have to include the insurgent, rebels that were the Colonial Army. If one wants to simply restrict the definition to those who attack noncombatant civilians, including women and children, then it excludes the Colonial Army and most of the insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The problem is that many use the term "terrorist" where they should use the term "insurgent"; thus, this kid may not be a complete moron as much as he could be misusing the term but in a manner in which he has heard individuals using it to describe insurgents.
 
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volprof said:
Don't shoot the messenger. I admit it is a problematic notion, but, then again, so is the notion of a document that is supposed to serve every American society equally well from here on to eternity.
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The founding fathers were wise enough to know that the Constitution would need to be changed from time to time. That is what Article Five is all about.

The problem is that today the left wants to change the Constitution through activist judges rather than the amendment process.
 
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volved said:
The founding fathers were wise enough to know that the Constitution would need to be changed from time to time. That is what Article Five is all about.

The problem is that today the left wants to change the Constitution through activist judges rather than the amendment process.
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Good points. I think, to be fair, though, that both sides have done things to conflict with the Constitution. As I posted in another thread today, Bush's Patriot Act and Obama's affordable care act entail dubious measures when it comes time to the interpretation of the Constitution.
 
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Starbuck's is an interesting phenomenon in itself. A lot of liberal (and I don't necessarily mean Democrat) kids like to hang out there and discuss all that's wrong with the Western world, or at least that's the image we have of many people that go there. At the same time, Starbuck's is the epitome of capitalism and globalization. What makes it even more odd is the fact that the corporation came out of Seattle, which seems to have a fairly strong association with the whole anarchist/anti-capitalist/anti-World Bank/anti-WTO/anti-globalization crowd. Very strange space when one walks into a Starbuck's.
 
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volprof said:
Starbuck's is an interesting phenomenon in itself. A lot of liberal (and I don't necessarily mean Democrat) kids like to hang out there and discuss all that's wrong with the Western world, or at least that's the image we have of many people that go there. At the same time, Starbuck's is the epitome of capitalism and globalization. What makes it even more odd is the fact that the corporation came out of Seattle, which seems to have a fairly strong association with the whole anarchist/anti-capitalist/anti-World Bank/anti-WTO/anti-globalization crowd. Very strange space when one walks into a Starbuck's.
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I always laugh at the highlighted part. Never made the association of the last part. Interesting though.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
I always laugh at the highlighted part. Never made the association of the last part. Interesting though.
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Yeah, it sometimes lends itself to a good laugh. Regarding the last highlighted part, though, I honestly believe that if Starbuck's could put up shop in our middle and high schools, they would. I also think they'd set up shop in small African villages if they thought they could turn at least a modest profit. Seems like those are the only remaining frontiers that have been relatively untouched by Starbuck's.
 
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volprof said:
Yeah, it sometimes lends itself to a good laugh. Regarding the last highlighted part, though, I honestly believe that if Starbuck's could put up shop in our middle and high schools, they would. I also think they'd set up shop in small African villages if they thought they could turn at least a modest profit. Seems like those are the only remaining frontiers that have been relatively untouched by Starbuck's.
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Yep. I have no problem with that. Let the best man win via capitalism.
 
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volprof said:
Bush's Patriot Act and Obama's affordable care act entail dubious measures when it comes time to the interpretation of the Constitution.
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The Democrats had the opportunity to repeal the Patriot Act and instead they reauthorized it. So it is now Obama's Patriot Act.

We will have to wait and see what the Republicans do with Obamacare when given the chance.
 
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