America Founded in 1619

[LouderVol]

Yes, but I am not willing to dump more money into the present system of Republicans simply pissing it away on the military and corporate welfare. For all the Republican b!tching about democrats spending... this president, much as that Republican hero Reagan did as well, has completely f@cked the debt all to hell. The same folks that whined about Obama family vacations justify the Trump weekly golf outings to Florida. The same folks that bitched about nepotism now ignore it. The same folks that complained about the deficit now cheer Trump's drunken spending spree.

Not really. I can think of at least 5 of us, probably more, who rail against what Trump does. In fact even for the slurpees the spending is one of the few things they mention as a negative. Just in their world it's not enough to override the "good" they see in him.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Again, generalizing about "slavery" doesn't relate to the argument at hand. However, if it makes you feel better, keep at it.

When you call it generalizing you are trying to deflect the reality of slavery to appease your feelings.

 

[FLVOL_79]

I think everyone is rightfully just ignoring his posts on things like that he obviously has no grasp on.

This kids, is the textbook definition of "projecting".

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Kind of hard for that to happen since the democrats control the House, which is where spending originates.

....and there went the Dimwits argument. Up in smoke. The part of our federal government that actually controls spending is not a Republican led group, nor Trump..it is the Dimwit controlled Congress that writes all those trillion dollar checks. That's a 1 punch knockout in the blame game.

Also, let us not forget that Hussein was just in office for 8 solid years..our first "black" president, and yet somehow we emerged from that nightmare with a country slam full of "systemic racism" where " blacks are gunned down like animals" by the police on a regular basis. How could that be, you ask??? Where is the "hope and change"??? How could a black president be responsible or complicit in all of these oppressive and racist policies? How could he be in office for 8years and yet there is more racial tension (supposedly) than ever before? Hmmmm

Or it could be that there are huge mobs of mostly white kids with no morals and black guys with nothing better to do that are put every night in these Dem controlled sheitholes just because they like tearing other peoples sheit up....as well as violence (only when they greatly outnumber the victims) looting (love that free sheit) arson (if I cant have it, nobody can!) And whatever other ignorant, immature, and destructive activities that may present themselves.

I am ashamed of all those stupid kids. I am ashamed of their parents who are about my age. I am ashamed of these garbage leftist mayors and governors that make the police stand down while their cities are burned and peoples lives and livelihoods are destroyed. I am ashamed that communism and socialism are even discussed as a possible alternative in this country. There is plenty of blame to pass around...but there is no mistaking the fact that ALL of these violent riots and looting etc have occurred and will continue to ONLY in Dimwit strongholds . Terrible policies and leadership leads to terrible outcomes. "Elections have consequences. "

Better get out and vote guys in November or we will be a communist state thereafter.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Yeah, damn political correctness.

You do realize he didn't create the thread title right? His responses merit little to no reaction unless you area virtue signaling emotionally crippled idiot.

 

[LouderVol]

Very interesting family history you have there.
I agree about not letting one's family history define them. My point is that I can't begin to imagine what it feels like to have my ancestors' basic human rights taken away for generations. While discrimination (and slavery) have probably existed since the beginning of time, IMO it's an over-simplification to explain away our country's record on civil rights by pointing at a generalized history of discrimination and slavery across the globe.

It's not explaining away. It happened. It's the biggest stain on our country's history and should be taught with the rest. Period.

But at some point if you want healing to happen you have to accept that it's in the past. Does that mean the present is perfect? No. We have plenty that can/should be worked on. The problem is you get race baiters on both sides who drive the conversation towards division 8nstead of healing, so it's no wonder it's still an issue.

I may get roasted for using Luther's continuum, but I look at it like such. Pre 1865 problems the AA suffered were at least 99% on white people. Skip ahead to the 1960s and we were at maybe 80%. By the end of that era you are down to maybe 60%. Sometime recently, imo of course, that onus of that responsibility has flipped. As evidenced by the self segregation, the racial attacks, and general vocabulary in use. If you believe the N word is an issue, you cant downplay the role vocabulary plays in the consensus of society.

Because we have charged the discussion so much we cant have real conversations about the fix. Until there is some sort of balance there is no way to move on and heal the nation. Think about any real life issue. If the two sides just yell at each other nothing changes. If just one side backs down and admits wrong the problem shifts but doesnt go away. It's only when both sides can calm down, admit their wrong, and have honest conversations, honestly communicate can things heal.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

....and there went the Dimwits argument. Up in smoke. The part of our federal government that actually controls spending is not a Republican led group, nor Trump..it is the Dimwit controlled Congress that writes all those trillion dollar checks. That's a 1 punch knockout in the blame game.

Also, let us not forget that Hussein was just in office for 8 solid years..our first "black" president, and yet somehow we emerged from that nightmare with a country slam full of "systemic racism" where " blacks are gunned down like animals" by the police on a regular basis. How could that be, you ask??? Where is the "hope and change"??? How could a black president be responsible or complicit in all of these oppressive and racist policies? How could he be in office for 8years and yet there is more racial tension (supposedly) than ever before? Hmmmm

Or it could be that there are huge mobs of mostly white kids with no morals and black guys with nothing better to do that are put every night in these Dem controlled sheitholes just because they like tearing other peoples sheit up....as well as violence (only when they greatly outnumber the victims) looting (love that free sheit) arson (if I cant have it, nobody can!) And whatever other ignorant, immature, and destructive activities that may present themselves.

I am ashamed of all those stupid kids. I am ashamed of their parents who are about my age. I am ashamed of these garbage leftist mayors and governors that make the police stand down while their cities are burned and peoples lives and livelihoods are destroyed. I am ashamed that communism and socialism are even discussed as a possible alternative in this country. There is plenty of blame to pass around...but there is no mistaking the fact that ALL of these violent riots and looting etc have occurred and will continue to ONLY in Dimwit strongholds . Terrible policies and leadership leads to terrible outcomes. "Elections have consequences. "

Better get out and vote guys in November or we will be a communist state thereafter.

You start by rallying around a democrat controlled Congress which ignores the Republican led Senate, albeit while using stupid nicknames ala Trump, and then end with a inexplicable statement. Fear mongering at its finest.

Your over simplified view of the racial divide in this country is one of pure ignorance. White people lack morals, black people have nothing better to do. Those generalizations alone are disgusting and I question why you chose the differing labels for each race.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

It's not explaining away. It happened. It's the biggest stain on our country's history and should be taught with the rest. Period.

But at some point if you want healing to happen you have to accept that it's in the past. Does that mean the present is perfect? No. We have plenty that can/should be worked on. The problem is you get race baiters on both sides who drive the conversation towards division 8nstead of healing, so it's no wonder it's still an issue.

I may get roasted for using Luther's continuum, but I look at it like such. Pre 1865 problems the AA suffered were at least 99% on white people. Skip ahead to the 1960s and we were at maybe 80%. By the end of that era you are down to maybe 60%. Sometime recently, imo of course, that onus of that responsibility has flipped. As evidenced by the self segregation, the racial attacks, and general vocabulary in use. If you believe the N word is an issue, you cant downplay the role vocabulary plays in the consensus of society.

Because we have charged the discussion so much we cant have real conversations about the fix. Until there is some sort of balance there is no way to move on and heal the nation. Think about any real life issue. If the two sides just yell at each other nothing changes. If just one side backs down and admits wrong the problem shifts but doesnt go away. It's only when both sides can calm down, admit their wrong, and have honest conversations, honestly communicate can things heal.

When did systemic racism end in this country?

 

[tvolsfan]

You do realize he didn't create the thread title right? His responses merit little to no reaction unless you area virtue signaling emotionally crippled idiot.

Lol

 

[LouderVol]

When did systemic racism end in this country?

I dont think it has. I think it has just changed.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

I dont think it has. I think it has just changed.

I believe you have too many people who believe that the sole reason blacks don't succeed at the same rate as whites is because they are lazy and/or stupid.

 

[LouderVol]

I believe you have too many people who believe that the sole reason blacks don't succeed at the same rate as whites is because they are lazy and/or stupid.

I believe you have too many people who believe that the sole reason blacks dont succeed at the same rate as white is because of systemic racism.

"You can sit there and keep complaining, or you can shut up and get to work. I'll let you figure out which gets fixes the situation faster."

My dad to me about chores.

Just because you are behind the 8 ball, I am not arguing people arent, doesnt mean you have to stay there. And the best qualified person to improve your situation is always going to be you.

 

[Vol737]

When did systemic racism end in this country?

Wait CV. I don't agree with the term "systemic". To use that term insinuates that every system from education, employment (EEOC), housing (Fair Housing Act), the military, banking/loans, etc. discriminates against minorities which would make the system inherently racist. That's not the case anymore. You're an attorney, correct? So you know we have federal laws in place that prohibit those practices. I think "systemic" is thrown around far too much and isn't accurate. Sure, racism exists. Always has and will because people are imperfect. The "system", however, has provided government subsidized housing, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, education, military opportunities that benefit and are available to all races. Need based scholarships are another area where minorities greatly benefited. This term "systemic" is false. If anything, the "system", corporations, businesses, colleges/universities, sports....geez, you name it, have made a huge effort to eliminate racism within the system.

 

[LouderVol]

Wait CV. I don't agree with the term "systemic". To use that term insinuates that every system from education, employment (EEOC), housing (Fair Housing Act), the military, banking/loans, etc. discriminates against minorities which would make the system inherently racist. That's not the case anymore. You're an attorney, correct? So you know we have federal laws in place that prohibit those practices. I think "systemic" is thrown around far too much and isn't accurate. Sure, racism exists. Always has and will because people are imperfect. The "system", however, has provided government subsidized housing, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, education, military opportunities that benefit and are available to all races. Need based scholarships are another area where minorities greatly benefit. This term "systemic" is false. If anything, the "system", corporations, businesses, colleges/universities, sports....geez, you name it, have made a huge effort to eliminate racism within the system.

They dont care about equal opportunities they want equal outcomes.

Which is flawed at the start.