America's Future

#51
#51
KiffinKiller said:
telling him to work harder without knowing his situation is very american. congrats. I thought you would agree with him, personally - he is saying govt isn't doing its job.
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I didn't say work harder I said to do the things necessary to find a suitable job and don't expect gov't to help in that. I don't look to them to help me at all
 
#54
#54
KiffinKiller said:
You want to eliminate SS? Because we run it so poorly or because you disagree with it?
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because it was flawed from the start. It's not a retirement fund but has somehow morphed into one. Give me my money and let me be responsible for my future. Pretty simple
 
#55
#55
BigPapaVol said:
They provide many essential services, poorly and expensively, but they do it. I'm no advocate of government, but this doesn't seem to fit your point regarding America being only for the rich.
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since government isn't going anywhere, it needs to be fixed. the rich control everything, including the government. the government doesn't work because it is controlled by rich lobbiest that don't care about anything except there own greed.
 
#57
#57
utvolpj said:
because it was flawed from the start. It's not a retirement fund but has somehow morphed into one. Give me my money and let me be responsible for my future. Pretty simple
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But shouldn't the government protect you from potentially making bad decisions regarding your retirement? To me the whole concept of SS is alien.
 
#58
#58
champyvol said:
since government isn't going anywhere, it needs to be fixed. the rich control everything, including the government. the government doesn't work because it is controlled by rich lobbiest that don't care about anything except there own greed.
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I'm not sure how rich control everything, when we keep voting pay raises for government workers and giving away more and more money. The rich clearly have a say, but have far less voting power than everyone else. The ability to hire and fire is the ultimate power and the rich flat out don't have it.
 
#60
#60
champyvol said:
since government isn't going anywhere, it needs to be fixed. the rich control everything, including the government. the government doesn't work because it is controlled by rich lobbiest that don't care about anything except there own greed.
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I tend to agree with you. Special interest and big money control much of govt. Gov't may try to help lower class with focused taxes and programs - but the programs are highly wasteful, inefficient, and miss the point.
 
#61
#61
champyvol said:
since government isn't going anywhere, it needs to be fixed. the rich control everything, including the government. the government doesn't work because it is controlled by rich lobbiest that don't care about anything except there own greed.
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What's wrong with aspiring to be as filthy rich as possible? That's my goal in life. I want to have more money than I could ever hope to spend by the time I die, and do whatever I please with it.
 
#62
#62
lumberjack4 said:
What's wrong with aspiring to be as filthy rich as possible? That's my goal in life. I want to have more money than I could ever hope to spend by the time I die, and do whatever I please with it.
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me too, but for most of us it is unrealistic. greed should not be the basic motto of the government, but it is.
 
#63
#63
champyvol said:
me too, but for most of us it is unrealistic. greed should not be the basic motto of the government, but it is.
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We agree that the government should let us keep what is ours, and stay the hell out of our way. But I don't begrudge a private citizen because they have been successful in life.
 
#64
#64
lumberjack4 said:
We agree that the government should let us keep what is ours, and stay the hell out of our way. But I don't begrudge a private citizen because they have been successful in life.
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well me neither as long as they are not involved in the government
 
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