Amy Coney Barrett Supreme Court

[1972 Grad]

Yeah, wonder why the cost is so high?

Insurance. When I was growing up, I didn't know that anybody had insurance for healthcare, and the doctors were very reasonable. When the medical field started dealing with a 3rd party, and people didn't worry about the cost, things changed. I found an old checkbook of my brother's when he was at U.T. in the mid-late 60's, with checks written for $3.00 for a visit to the podiatrist to have planter's warts treated. That would probably equate to about $20 in today's money.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Insurance. When I was growing up, I didn't know that anybody had insurance for healthcare, and the doctors were very reasonable. When the medical field started dealing with a 3rd party, and people didn't worry about the cost, things changed. I found an old checkbook of my brother's when he was at U.T. in the mid-late 60's, with checks written for $3.00 for a visit to the podiatrist to have planter's warts treated. That would probably equate to about $20 in today's money.

Insurance began as catastrophic only. We were all expected to pay for our doctor visits.

Then insurance came along.

Then employers saw it as a compensation differentiator

And it snowballed from there.

 

[OHvol40]

I did right here.



You’re parsing based on how you want to quantify “best”. Well the article clearly measures best by innovation and advancing the state of medicine. That makes sense as the correct measure of “best” to me.

You will continue to reply “but I want to measure it by being able to walk into my PCP and get my antibiotics for free”.

Lol what is the criteria for that ranking?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Lol what is the criteria for that ranking?

The same as in this one. Innovation and research. But hey you go to the corner witch doctor and get your leeches for free amirite?

Here’s another link supporting my definition of “best”. In fact they use the word best also.

But China is gaining and I’m sure Punxsutawney Joe is willing to lend a he long hand!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2019-09-27/china-threatens-the-us-leadership-position-in-medical-research?context=amp

 

[OHvol40]

Here’s another link supporting my definition of “best”. In fact they use the word best also.

But China is gaining and I’m sure Punxsutawney Joe is willing to lend a he long hand!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2019-09-27/china-threatens-the-us-leadership-position-in-medical-research?context=amp

Research is nice if you want to make money, and, say, share it with the world lol. What makes the actual, day-to-day care in the US uniquely spectacular? Still no answer.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Research is nice if you want to make money, and, say, share it with the world lol. What makes the actual, day-to-day care in the US uniquely spectacular? Still no answer.

There we go just like I said.

So going forward you have to go back to draining the bad blood and using leeches. Hey it was good enough in the dark ages who needs research. If you don’t you’re a hypocrite!

 

[OHvol40]

The same as in this one. Innovation and research. But hey you go to the corner witch doctor and get your leeches for free amirite?

Innovation and research make our personal healthcare better?... or the world’s healthcare better? What is unique about hands-on patient care?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Innovation and research make our personal healthcare better?... or the world’s healthcare better? What is unique about hands-on patient care?

Yep.

 

[OHvol40]

Yep.

What makes our patient care better?

 

[NorthDallas40]

What makes our patient care better?

How does advancement of the state of medicine not make our patient care better. This is a really stupid argument. “Well sure if you need a new heart you go to the US but I just need a ZPak for this chest infection.”

You discount all of the advances raising the bar for care to focus on hey but I get my ZPak for free.

I don’t agree with your measure of “best” change my mind.

 

[OHvol40]

How does advancement of the state of medicine not make our patient care better. This is a really stupid argument. “Well sure if you need a new heart you go to the US but I just need a ZPak for this chest infection.”

You discount all of the advances raising the bar for care to focus on hey but I get my ZPak for free.

I don’t agree with your measure of “best” change my mind.

I’ll give you real stats instead of conjecture, personal anecdotes and opinion.

How does the quality of the U.S. healthcare system compare to other countries? - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

 

[NorthDallas40]

I’ll give you real stats instead of conjecture, personal anecdotes and opinion.

How does the quality of the U.S. healthcare system compare to other countries? - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

I’ve already provided actual data. 5 of the 10 top medical research companies are located or relocate to the US. That research doesn’t just produce new artificial hearts it produces new antibiotics which indeed impact even our every day care.

I’ve supported my definition of “best” the US raises the bar continually for medical science.

But you need to stick to nothing stronger than penicillin or aspirin or you’re a hypocrite

 

[OHvol40]

I’ve already provided actual data. 5 of the 10 top medical research companies are located or relocate to the US. That research doesn’t just produce new artificial hearts it produces new antibiotics which indeed impact even our every day care.

I’ve supported my definition of “best” the US raises the bar continually for medical science.

But you need to stick to nothing stronger than penicillin or aspirin or you’re a hypocrite

You didn’t read, that’s ok. A lot of people here are impervious to hard facts.

 

[NorthDallas40]

You didn’t read, that’s ok. A lot of people here are impervious to hard facts.

Oh I did read. And I’ve supported my stance. Where did all of the research happen in all of these far away lands you pine for?

By any rationale measure innovation and research would be the clear measure of “best” to any person. But you have to narrow it down to cost alone while ignoring the benefits of the costs. Benefits that all of those other countries get too.

Stick to penicillin and aspirin going forward and practice what you preach

 

[Wireless1]

I keep hearing threats that politicians are trying to get rid of the pre-existing condition clauses but explain to me who wants to get rid of it? The voters all see the value so that only a few “youngsters” see a potential savings if a plan was available. The insurance companies have already bitten the bullet and it’s now built into the rates (and most of them are payed on the margins so more expenses mean more profits)
So who would really go to the effort to repeal that benefit?
BTW how many people are currently uninsured because they still find it financially beneficial to risk it?

 

[1972 Grad]

Oh I did read. And I’ve supported my stance. Where did all of the research happen in all of these far away lands you pine for?

By any rationale measure innovation and research would be the clear measure of “best” to any person. But you have to narrow it down to cost alone while ignoring the benefits of the costs. Benefits that all of those other countries get too.

Stick to penicillin and aspirin going forward and practice what you preach

Funny you bring that up. I had an older orthopedic surgeon tell me a few years ago, that the longer that he practiced medicine, the more he was convinced that only 2 drugs were worth taking..................penicillin and aspirin.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Funny you bring that up. I had an older orthopedic surgeon tell me a few years ago, that the longer that he practiced medicine, the more he was convinced that only 2 drugs were worth taking..................penicillin and aspirin.

I’d expect an orthopedic surgeon would love him some ibuprofen

 

[StarRaider]

I’d expect an orthopedic surgeon would love him some ibuprofen

Vitamin I

 

[OHvol40]

Oh I did read. And I’ve supported my stance. Where did all of the research happen in all of these far away lands you pine for?

By any rationale measure innovation and research would be the clear measure of “best” to any person. But you have to narrow it down to cost alone while ignoring the benefits of the costs. Benefits that all of those other countries get too.

Stick to penicillin and aspirin going forward and practice what you preach

I just showed you that the costs aren’t worth it. Actually your healthcare cost doesn’t go toward the research you are talking about, it goes toward paying for your care. Care is about results and my FACTS point out that we don’t have the best results in every case. Sometimes the worst. So sit down.

 

[Jxn Vol]

The reason our healthcare system is better and more innovative is capitalism. It would and could be better if the government would get out of the way. The best products would be cheaper if the government didn’t make companies jump through all of the hoops. It would also place doctors and patients together collaborating on their decisions.

A lot of folks travel to other countries for new products and procedures because our fda has not yet approved what they need. It is not always best to be first but it is definitely better than being last.

Many of the folks are guinea pigs that travel for care. But that won’t show up in the data.

 

[AM64]

You just said there was still 26m uninsured. The original statement made when ACA was being debated was that there was 30m uninsured. So simple math based on your comments is that the ACA only helped 4m people. Care to revise your BS?

A very very expensive way to cover 4 M people - or whatever the relatively small number turns out to be. And dems want to hand government back over to that kind of mismanagement. Incredible.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I just showed you that the costs aren’t worth it. Actually your healthcare cost doesn’t go toward the research you are talking about, it goes toward paying for your care. Care is about results and my FACTS point out that we don’t have the best results in every case. Sometimes the worst. So sit down.

I don’t agree with you that the costs aren’t worth it. I don’t agree with your measure of “best”.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I just showed you that the costs aren’t worth it. Actually your healthcare cost doesn’t go toward the research you are talking about, it goes toward paying for your care. Care is about results and my FACTS point out that we don’t have the best results in every case. Sometimes the worst. So sit down.

Ok so now I have time to reply

Look Albert everybody has come at you with the same assertion of “best”. Our innovation and research in addition to our network. Your reply? To just ignore it and say it isn’t worth it. Your damn FACTS in your link don’t even consider it. That’s dumb as hell. Your entire reply train is a damn non sequitur and completely ignores the impact of medical science advance and innovation on the everyday care for patients. Hell the obvious benefits in drug research alone should be clear. But nooooooo you just keep hammering your dumbass non sequitur. Ok

 

[zeppelin128]

We could have all skipped the nonsense today. It was all political theater. The next couple days will let us know more.

 

[NorthDallas40]

The reason our healthcare system is better and more innovative is capitalism. It would and could be better if the government would get out of the way. The best products would be cheaper if the government didn’t make companies jump through all of the hoops. It would also place doctors and patients together collaborating on their decisions.

A lot of folks travel to other countries for new products and procedures because our fda has not yet approved what they need. It is not always best to be first but it is definitely better than being last.

Many of the folks are guinea pigs that travel for care. But that won’t show up in the data.

Einstein has a clear argument he could make if he pulled back and saw the forest for the trees but he’s hung up on sound bytes. We hands down have the best medicine technology and care in the world. But it doesn’t come cheap and cost can be a barrier. That’s hard to argue. But the capability of the system is the best. And every other healthcare network benefits from the advances in our system. It’s another damn thing the world is hanging on us about and we bear the brunt of the cost again.

I’m all for making it cheaper. But it’s disingenuous to say that the capability is diminished due to the cost I don’t buy into that. The ACA doesn’t lower costs anyway and the last damn thing I want is the damn government involved in my healthcare.