Anarchy In Portland

[Orange defense]

If he had 32 years he was at least an E7. Marine Gunnys make around $6K/month and the retirement on that is probably around $4500/month. Plus his medical is paid for. Yeah. You are being scammed.

I do know, I love our veterans though. I’ll give him a little change.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Someone help me out with something. I am genuinely curious. What is the point of all this violence? What are these criminals hoping to achieve by destroying businesses and terrorizing the city?

 

[Weezer]

If Portland wants to allow their city to be torn apart, let them. Just don't ask the federal government to pay for repairs. If they want to burn down federal buildings, evacuate and let them. Force the city and its leaders to take action or willfully ignore the problem. When it comes time to repair or rebuild, send them the bill for damages. This is not a federal responsibility. It's not even a state responsibility. It's a city responsibility, and if they're unwilling to accept that responsibility, let them deal with the consequences.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

OSP is about to get their butts handed to them. No riot gear, no tac gear, no crowd control munitions, and "we're just going to try to bring the temperature down".

Good luck with that strategy, Skippy.

 

[Vol737]

Someone help me out with something. I am genuinely curious. What is the point of all this violence? What are these criminals hoping to achieve by destroying businesses and terrorizing the city?

I’ve asked that as well. What’s the end game?

 

[CagleMtnVol]

Someone help me out with something. I am genuinely curious. What is the point of all this violence? What are these criminals hoping to achieve by destroying businesses and terrorizing the city?

I’ve asked that as well. What’s the end game?

They want it to be a Socialist/Communist hole!

 

[Vol737]

They want it to be a Socialist/Communist hole!

I just want to hear them say it, because we all know. We also know it has zero to do with George Floyd anymore. That’s just an excuse.

 

[Stew Cook]

I’ve asked that as well. What’s the end game?

You would have to ask the individuals who are doing it, but probably wouldn't get a straight answer.

I think some just want glamour shots of themselves looking like an anarchist. I imagine others get a thrill out of a confrontation with figures of authority. Some others may have political motives, whether it be proving that protestors are violent, or proving that the Feds, or police can't help from being heavy-handed.

One thing is for sure, if some person in black throws a flammable object at the Feds, or LEOs, their is just as much motive for it to be a political operative from the fringe of either political ideology, not just the intuitive one. And in some cases, just some rando pyromaniac who thinks they won't be fingered for the deed.

 

[Electric Orange]

 

[KB5252]

But the riots will surely end right? I thought the riots were only happening because of the feds?

LOL

 

[Stew Cook]

"... except where the video or audio relates to an investigation of criminal activities, and there exists reasonable grounds to suspect the subjects of the video or audio are engaged in criminal conduct."

Doesn't amount to much of a restraining order. But Andy got to suggest a judge was aiding criminals. Good show, Andy.

 

[Electric Orange]

Doesn't amount to much of a restraining order. But Andy got to suggest a judge was aiding criminals. Good show, Andy.

There are no criminals. It's a peaceful protest.

 

[KB5252]

I don't get it, if they're in public why can they not be livestreamed, anyone else could.

 

[Electric Orange]

I don't get it, of they're in public why can they not be livestreamed, anyone else could.

Good question
@Stew Cook
Professor?

 

[Stew Cook]

Good question
@Stew Cook
Professor?

Well, you see, Oregon law dictates that...

Hell, I don't know, it's a temporary restraining order, I'm guessing until an argument can be made one way or another by the plaintiff and defendant.

I'm guessing the ACLU is arguing that "surveillance" is a presumption of a criminal activity, but according to the order, as long as there is a subject suspected of criminal activity it doesn't matter who else is being filmed or recorded.

 

[Electric Orange]

Not a nice thing to do.

 

[Electric Orange]

Not a nice thing to do.

 

[Electric Orange]

Antifa and BLM are murderers. And speciesists. They murdered an innocent life. A life that never held a gun to a pregnant woman's belly. I think its time for a peaceful counter protest to intensify.

 

[Electric Orange]

#swinelivesmatter

 

[Electric Orange]

I don't get it, if they're in public why can they not be livestreamed, anyone else could.

 

[TNVOLNAVY]

I’ve asked that as well. What’s the end game?

They want the same stuff and privileges for their mere existence as the people who work for theirs. It used to be called communism or socialism but they rebranded it and now successfully sell it as progressivism.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

I’ve asked that as well. What’s the end game?

I've read in multiple outlets that at least half of the people in attendance are 'journalists' consisting of streamers and bloggers looking for some gore they can post to try and get enough traffic to monetize. I have seen self proclaimed spokespersons give interviews but we're told that there is no umbrella group for these people so you cannot assume that any one person is articulating anyone else's motives. When people try to interview participants, the response is usually just a spew of profanities.

I can say for sure in Nashville, that of the handful of people that are regularly protesting a significant amount are homeless people who are just there for the free stuff and another significant amount are kids who are mostly there for something to do. Then there are some local activists who show up at pretty much any rally for a left-leaning cause and these people don't hide who they are or what they're about. It's the remainder, which really isn't a lot of people, that are a mystery.

 

[LouderVol]

Doesn't amount to much of a restraining order. But Andy got to suggest a judge was aiding criminals. Good show, Andy.

Why the eff would they ban streaming videos from the cops only?

Afraid a different perspective might change opinions?

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Why the eff would they ban streaming videos from the cops only?

Afraid a different perspective might change opinions?

I don't know the specifics here, but in some places that have mandated body cams they had to backtrack and add some privacy protections so the body cams wouldn't interfere with laws that prohibit things like disclosing the location of domestic violence victims and publishing images of dead bodies without family consent. Then you have HIPPA issues where there are paramedics and police on the same scene, or maybe even police acting as first aid givers. OTOH, there probably are some localities where a review board wants to be able to censor provocative behavior that results in use of force because it detracts from a narrative supported by a particular group.

Private citizens are not always subject to those same laws.

 

[LouderVol]

I don't know the specifics here, but in some places that have mandated body cams they had to backtrack and add some privacy protections so the body cams wouldn't interfere with laws that prohibit things like disclosing the location of domestic violence victims and publishing images of dead bodies without family consent. Then you have HIPPA issues where there are paramedics and police on the same scene, or maybe even police acting as first aid givers. OTOH, there probably are some localities where a review board wants to be able to censor provocative behavior that results in use of force because it detracts from a narrative supported by a particular group.

Private citizens are not always subject to those same laws.

Out on a public street you are open to all the surveillance in the world.