Angry Urban!!!

#26
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BigPapaVol said:
very nice. Urban was no more standing up for his players than I was. He was quelling any public dissent with Urban, period. He's a whiny douchebag with an inferiority complex. Yes, his need to please drives him and it has worked. He has done a great job of augmenting Zook's base of players and developing a great football team. None of that changes who he is as a human being. If I'm a UF fan, I frankly don't give a shat about his personality. I want him to keep bringing home the recruits and winning.

Interestingly, both of his national titles are tainted for me. There were teams out there who could have handled UF, but the raggedy BCS system matched him up with lesser opponents. I don't believe his team could have beaten USC in either of its championship seasons.
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BPV,
I always respect your insight and opinion but come on. You have to give credit where credit is due. An undefeated Ohio State team?? An Oklahoma team that put up more points than any other team in NCAA history in a single season with only one loss. Come on, you are better than that. And on his augmenting Zook's players, I may give you that on the first BCS championship team but not the second. He is about to start his fifth season and how many players on last year's team were Zooks???
 
#27
#27
USC has looked like the team to beat for a while now, but they play in a horrible conference and they have no championship game. USC lost to UCLA with Karl Dorrell as coach in '06. USC lost to Standford and Oregon in '07. USC lost to Oregon State in '08 in front of a record Corvallis crowd of 42,839. They are men amongst boys, and yet they still lose games they should win.

ESPN and half the sports writers were ready to put Michigan in a rematch in the 2006 NC against the most over-hyped OSU team in decades. Lucky for the SEC, UF got to play OSU instead of having a Big Ten love fest. The SEC got that payout and bragging rights, because USC lost to a bad UCLA team 13-9. Nine points? What scares me most is that CLK and Sarkisian shared the OC title. Nine points with Dwayne Jarrett, Steve Smith and all those 5-star players?

They should be untouchable, but instead USC is just beatable.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Interestingly, both of his national titles are tainted for me. There were teams out there who could have handled UF, but the raggedy BCS system matched him up with lesser opponents. I don't believe his team could have beaten USC in either of its championship seasons.
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even if there was a playoff that wouldnt guarantee USC and UF would play either..so your opinion and mine arent worth a shat as far as that goes. Hopefully their next title will be tainted to you as well...ill take those every year.:thumbsup:
 
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NCGatorBait said:
even if there was a playoff that wouldnt guarantee USC and UF would play either..so your opinion and mine arent worth a shat as far as that goes. Hopefully their next title will be tainted to you as well...ill take those every year.:thumbsup:
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I like that they're disputable too. Weakens them substantially and makes for good arguments.
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tng8r said:
BPV,
I always respect your insight and opinion but come on. You have to give credit where credit is due. An undefeated Ohio State team?? An Oklahoma team that put up more points than any other team in NCAA history in a single season with only one loss. Come on, you are better than that. And on his augmenting Zook's players, I may give you that on the first BCS championship team but not the second. He is about to start his fifth season and how many players on last year's team were Zooks???
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That OU team sucked, from a historical perspective. They made their name losing to a one dimensional TX team with a spaghetti armed QB and no D. Awe inspiring.
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#31
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tng8r said:
BPV,
I always respect your insight and opinion but come on. You have to give credit where credit is due. An undefeated Ohio State team?? An Oklahoma team that put up more points than any other team in NCAA history in a single season with only one loss. Come on, you are better than that. And on his augmenting Zook's players, I may give you that on the first BCS championship team but not the second. He is about to start his fifth season and how many players on last year's team were Zooks???
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About the Zook comment...I think he means that Urban has done a good job on building on Zook's talent. He was in a lot better position when he got to Florida than the position Kiffin is in right now.

I think there may have been a couple of teams that could have beaten Florida in 2006, but I just don't see anyone beating '08 Florida. I think a couple of teams could've gave them a very good game, but nobody would've beaten them for the title.
 
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Tristin71 said:
USC has looked like the team to beat for a while now, but they play in a horrible conference and they have no championship game. .
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No they don't. The Pac10 is no worse than the third strongest conference in college football. I've argued with Pac10 fans when they've tried to say it is as good as the SEC... it simply isn't. But to say it is "horrible" is ignorant...

UF had an outstanding team last year and OU deserved to be there. OTOH, USC would have been a credible contender too.
 
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BTW, Meyer's behavior makes me believe he's a narcissist... look the condition up and see if you agree. Most good coaches have big egos... but narcissism goes past that into compulsive type behavior.

Meyer will not apologize unless he has absolutely no choice and even then it won't be sincere. If his behavior pattern holds, he has already rationalized away any guilt he should bear and placed the blame squarely on others.

NOTHING will be allowed to interfere with his love affair with himself.
 
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#34
"No they don't. The Pac10 is no worse than the third strongest conference in college football. I've argued with Pac10 fans when they've tried to say it is as good as the SEC... it simply isn't. But to say it is "horrible" is ignorant..."

Saying that my comment is "ignorant" is inflammatory. Should we resort to name-calling? I live in Los Angeles, so I'm overwhelmed with Pac-10 crap 24/7. I've seen the competition here for 13 years, so I believe I'm qualified enough to have an opinion.

Washington and Washington St are two of the sorriest teams in D1, for example. Whatever. USC's annual conference competition is horrible.
 
#35
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The sooner he is out of the SEC, the better, IMO. He's a good coach, no doubt.... but to quote the guy in the movie Step-Brothers...

" I don't know what it is... just something about your face that makes me just wanna punch your lights out."
 
#37
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Sudeepvol said:
About the Zook comment...I think he means that Urban has done a good job on building on Zook's talent. He was in a lot better position when he got to Florida than the position Kiffin is in right now.

I think there may have been a couple of teams that could have beaten Florida in 2006, but I just don't see anyone beating '08 Florida. I think a couple of teams could've gave them a very good game, but nobody would've beaten them for the title.
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I have no doubt USC would've beaten them.
 
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Tristin71 said:
Saying that my comment is "ignorant" is inflammatory. Should we resort to name-calling? I live in Los Angeles, so I'm overwhelmed with Pac-10 crap 24/7. I've seen the competition here for 13 years, so I believe I'm qualified enough to have an opinion.
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I was actually trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. If you live in Pac10 country and can't see how well they match up to other conferences then the description of your comment deserves somthing much more "inflammatory" than "ignorant".

They don't play the same style of football but when you see them match up against the Big12 or other conferences the non-USC teams still hold up well. We don't get an accurate comparison with the SEC because of the instate mandate games. UGA, USCe, and UF won't sign other opponents because of GT, Clem, and FSU.

Washington and Washington St are two of the sorriest teams in D1, for example.
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And so are Vandy and MSU... UW in particular has a great tradition when you go back to the James era. WSU was very good when Price was there. One difference in the Pac10 is that 2 thru 10 shuffle around alot. No one is really steady around the top except USC.

Whatever. USC's annual conference competition is horrible.
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Even if that were true... and it isn't... They always play ND and for the last 3 seasons their OOC schedule has been made up of BCS conference schools. I'm not sure they've ever scheduled an FCS school... something most SEC schools do every year.
 
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Tristin71 said:
"No they don't. The Pac10 is no worse than the third strongest conference in college football. I've argued with Pac10 fans when they've tried to say it is as good as the SEC... it simply isn't. But to say it is "horrible" is ignorant..."

Saying that my comment is "ignorant" is inflammatory. Should we resort to name-calling? I live in Los Angeles, so I'm overwhelmed with Pac-10 crap 24/7. I've seen the competition here for 13 years, so I believe I'm qualified enough to have an opinion.

Washington and Washington St are two of the sorriest teams in D1, for example. Whatever. USC's annual conference competition is horrible.
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Fyi... you're going to have to develop a MUCH thicker skin to last around here.
 
#44
#44
After 2 titles, Urban needs to loosen up, smile, have some fun. He's always in a bad mood.
 
#46
#46
Meyer is a narcissist. He can never be happy because no matter how much people love and affirm him... it can never reach the level he thinks he deserves.

That's why I am very interested to see how CLK handles him going forward. Whether Kiffin sensed it or saw it.... I believe his goading of Meyer has to do with Meyer taking himself so seriously. That should give CLk an edge when they coach against each other.
 
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sjt18 said:
Meyer is a narcissist. He can never be happy because no matter how much people love and affirm him... it can never reach the level he thinks he deserves.

That's why I am very interested to see how CLK handles him going forward. Whether Kiffin sensed it or saw it.... I believe his goading of Meyer has to do with Meyer taking himself so seriously. That should give CLk an edge when they coach against each other.
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Everybody at his level is a narcissist.
 
#48
#48
sjt18 said:
Meyer is a narcissist. He can never be happy because no matter how much people love and affirm him... it can never reach the level he thinks he deserves.

That's why I am very interested to see how CLK handles him going forward. Whether Kiffin sensed it or saw it.... I believe his goading of Meyer has to do with Meyer taking himself so seriously. That should give CLk an edge when they coach against each other.
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Well said

Everyone has the friend who can't take a joke or is always wondering if someones talking about him. It's so funny to see them get their panties in a knot
 
#49
#49
This is ridiculous and makes Meyer look like a buffoon. So because he went to UF he cant be critical of something you are doing as head coach? Give me a break. He wants HIS university to win and he did not think the coach was putting them in the best position to do that. Its like all the posters on here that said if you criticized Fulmer that you were somehow not a fan of UT. Matthews was there before you Meyer and he is every bit, or even moreso, a UF gator than Meyer. As much as he would like to think otherwise, the football program is much bigger than poor 'ol Mr. Meyer.
 
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