another obama red flag

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MontereyVol said:
Why should he? Both sides seem to believe he is their friend, generally that means you can arbitrate something.
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I wasn't speaking on the Israel Palestinian situation, I was speaking of his entire platform, or lack thereof. Bottom line here is until Hamas is nuetralized or marginalized there can be no peace for Israel. We have brokered them into so many deals and they always seem to get no return from the Palestinians.
 
#27
#27
OrangeEmpire said:
Same as the other fella', how can that be?
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we have to clarify the line between Palestinians and Hamas. I don't think, and again maybe I am completely off base, that the moderate Palestinians would deny Israel's right to exist. Again, it's about being recognized as a state and getting some land back. Hamas just screws it all up.
 
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emainvol said:
c) I may be completely wrong, but I was under the impression that he has always been very pro-Israel. Just because he believes in the rights of the Palestinians doesn't mean he can't also be pro-Israel. One shouldn't have to pick sides here.
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his former adviser, Samantha Power, is indicative of the direction he wants to go regarding Israel. She is of the Walt-Mearscheimer crowd that view Israel as the problem in the Middle East.
 
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#29
His "windfall profits tax" idea should be enough to scare anyone away. I sometimes wonder what country I am living in.
 
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MG1968 said:
his former adviser, Samantha Power, is indicative of the direction he wants to go regarding Israel. She is of the Walt-Mearscheimer crowd that view Israel as the problem in the Middle East.
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In fairness, Israel is not without blood on their hands.

There are a lot of problems in the region, most of them aren't directly tied to Israel, but that doesn't mean they are innocent.

However, I do disagree with the assertion that Israel is the main problem.
 
#32
#32
KB5252 said:
I wasn't speaking on the Israel Palestinian situation, I was speaking of his entire platform, or lack thereof. Bottom line here is until Hamas is nuetralized or marginalized there can be no peace for Israel. We have brokered them into so many deals and they always seem to get no return from the Palestinians.
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I agree with you there. However, if he can convince the Palestinians that he holds their interests at heart they may start to reject Hamas? Maybe the situation could change if he can convince the Palestinians of "change"? He seems to be good at it. :)
 
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#33
emainvol said:
In and of itself, the Palestinian cause is just. They only want to be recognized and get certain pieces of land back. Agreeing with some of the wackjobs that operate in the area would definitely be anti-Semitic.
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Israel's greatest mistake during the 6 Day War was the seizure of that land.

Dayan blew that one big time!
 
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emainvol said:
we have to clarify the line between Palestinians and Hamas. I don't think, and again maybe I am completely off base, that the moderate Palestinians would deny Israel's right to exist. Again, it's about being recognized as a state and getting some land back. Hamas just screws it all up.
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Your right but there is some collusion between the two. And until that is stopped and Hamas is taken out of the playing field Israel has no real choice. Israel has given up land and the same land was used to launch attacks.
 
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emainvol said:
In fairness, Israel is not without blood on their hands.

There are a lot of problems in the region, most of them aren't directly tied to Israel, but that doesn't mean they are innocent.

However, I do disagree with the assertion that Israel is the main problem.
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What would you do if you were backed into a corner with every one around you threatening to kill you?
 
#39
#39
KB5252 said:
I guess to me it just looks like he is trying to play both sides here. As I stated before with Hamas pulling strings there can be no peace.
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You are right, Hamas will either have to be disbanded or completely change their philosophy (which I do not believe will happen). Playing both sides of the fence hasnt been tried yet, so why not?
 
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emainvol said:
In fairness, Israel is not without blood on their hands.

There are a lot of problems in the region, most of them aren't directly tied to Israel, but that doesn't mean they are innocent.

However, I do disagree with the assertion that Israel is the main problem.
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I do agree there is blood on their hands. They have been conditioned to it. Since the country was proposed they have had to fight for it every step of the way. If we were attacked by Mexico yearly I would bet we would have a heart of stone towards their plight.
 
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thanks to Yassir Arafat, the Palestinians were kicked out of Jordan. If you really want to know the cause of their "plight" look no further than the PLO.
 
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MG1968 said:
thanks to Yassir Arafat, the Palestinians were kicked out of Jordan. If you really want to know the cause of their "plight" look no further than the PLO.
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Yassir Arafat almost singlehandedly caused what we see today.
 
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