Another Socialist/Marxist Idea being pushed by the Dems

#76
#76
emainvol said:
I believe that is the fundamental difference between most of you guys and me.
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I just believe the more gov't starts to control the smaller the voice of the people. You have a small group of people wielding power over the masses and, let's face it, they get drunk on it. Today it's oil, then power, water, schools, churches, healthcare, etc. You give them the power to make decisions for you and you start to lose your voice (and deservedly so). IMO anyway.
 
#78
#78
utvolpj said:
I just believe the more gov't starts to control the smaller the voice of the people. You have a small group of people wielding power over the masses and, let's face it, they get drunk on it. Today it's oil, then power, water, schools, churches, healthcare, etc. You give them the power to make decisions for you and you start to lose your voice (and deservedly so). IMO anyway.
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Yep!

Good post!

Barry's first presidential order will be a name change for the country.

The United Socialist States of America.

:salute:
 
#79
#79
allvol123 said:
What principle? That because our system is so great, anything we want for the most part is at the corner store and accessible for a price. Horrible system. Mainly, the problem is we are spoiled.
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I can agree with this, which is why you see all this bitching from people who consider themselves uber-capitalists when supply and demand rears its ugly head
 
#82
#82
emainvol said:
I can agree with this, which is why you see all this bitching from people who consider themselves uber-capitalists when supply and demand rears its ugly head
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My bitching is because the government is interfering too much in the business. That is not uber-capitalism.
 
#84
#84
emainvol said:
Clinton and Bush St. had plenty to do with it.
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FDR for all of his socialist programs at least got it and got us through WWII. Truman was a bafoon and Ike was well...... a good administrator.

Kennedy never got a chance and every one else was a complete has been except for Reagen and Clinton (With a conservative congress).
 
#86
#86
emainvol said:
Oh I do, I just don't see why everyone always says no form of socialism ever works. There is at least one example.
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Sweden's economy is falling apart, so their form of socialism has been a colossal failure as well.
 
#94
#94
emainvol said:
Let's put it this way, I am a firm believe that the general consumer doesn't understand the principle of supply and demand. Without something to check businesses eventually greed takes over. I don't think the government is perfect, obviously, but without something there who governs the market? Gas is high, so people bitch but they don't do anything about it. So who does?
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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm reading this to mean that the reason the cost of gas is so high is because of the greed of the oil companies. If that's what you're suggesting, it is wholly false. Gas is so expensive because the government interfered with the law of supply in demand twenty some-odd years ago by outlawing domestic exploration and extraction of oil. I.e., they shut down a major source of supply. We are suffering the consequences of that now in the form of high prices.

As for the general consumer not understanding supply and demand, you are probably right, but so what? It applies whether people understand it or not. Not many people understand gravity, either, but they still fall when they jump off a building.
 
#95
#95
jamesd1628 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm reading this to mean that the reason the cost of gas is so high is because of the greed of the oil companies. If that's what you're suggesting, it is wholly false. Gas is so expensive because the government interfered with the law of supply in demand twenty some-odd years ago by outlawing domestic exploration and extraction of oil. I.e., they shut down a major source of supply. We are suffering the consequences of that now in the form of high prices.

As for the general consumer not understanding supply and demand, you are probably right, but so what? It applies whether people understand it or not. Not many people understand gravity, either, but they still fall when they jump off a building.
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Remember that government was forced to do that to control the greed, coughs profit, of the oil companies!

Profit is only for politicians!
 
#97
#97
emainvol said:
I can agree with this, which is why you see all this bitching from people who consider themselves uber-capitalists when supply and demand rears its ugly head
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I really don't hear the uber capitalists bitching about the supply and demand side. I hear bitching about over regulating the market and limiting drilling, but not the fundamental economics.
 
#100
#100
OWB said:
Socialism > Fascism
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great point, but since it has no bearing on anything let's talk about socialism relative to capitalism. Socialism is the EXACT opposite economic system and every single little slide toward socialism can do nothing but hurt a capitalist system.

I understand why people with no discernable skill for which they should be paid hate capitalism, but what's you're excuse?
 
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