Answer these questions Volnation ?

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Prophet1 said:
Honesty , is Catlin Clarke better than Candace Parker ?
Is she better than Chamique Holdsclaw?
Again , is she better than Tamika Catchings?
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Would you have asked this after Clarke's sophomore year ?
This hysteria seems to be mostly based on her last 2 games, which were other worldly.
 
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Coach Jumper said:
she is this year's Seth Curry
One good coach will figure out how to stop her and then every other coach will use that strategy
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Exactly! By 6:00 tonight, she probably will be yesterday's news.

Kimmy will perhaps start a fast one on her; then a tall one; then the Charles Barkley girl to make her weary. Rotate them around to see what bothers her most.

But CC is still POY...

Goooooooo Iowa!!
 
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volnationnj said:
Would have asked this after Clarke's sophomore year ?
This hysteria seems to be mostly based on her last 2 games, which were other worldly.
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Yep, Caitlin Clark just came from nowhere in these last two games. Before that, she was barely the water girl, just as look at these atrocious stats:


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I mean only 26.6 pts, 6 rebounds and 7 assists pg as a freshman and her averages for pts and assists increased each year since, though but her rebounding is slightly down this year from her sophomore campaign. What a waste of space!
 
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Sure she can have a bad game Just like Boston did but CC is not a flash in the pan!
As for her ranking against some of the others mentioned. The teams CC is playing against are probably a lot better than the teams the others were playing against if you believe players have gotten better over the years.
Also, good players tend to get even better in our minds as time passes. It would be interesting to watch a college game of Parker against top competition again before we speculate who was better. It would be even better if we could have seen them play with slightly above average teammates against a superior team.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
She is a better three point shooter but not a better player. Hard to find any player better than those three. Holdsclaw and Catchings won three National Championships and Parker won two so she is not better than any of those players or several players that have played for UConn and many other players down through the years.
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Not to quibble, but Catchings was part of only one NC. Holdsclaw was part of 3. But like most on here, I am taking those 2 and Parker over Clark. Catchings would actually be a nightmare on defense for Clark to score on. I don’t think Clark has had to attack a player as intense as Catch.
 
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Prophet1 said:
Honesty , is Catlin Clarke better than Candace Parker ?
Is she better than Chamique Holdsclaw?
Again , is she better than Tamika Catchings?
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What do Parker , Holdsclaw & Catchings have in common with Saturn? They’ve all got rings

What is the difference in Caitlin Clarke & Saturn ? Clarke has no rings .
 
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VolBall09 said:
Yes yes and yes. Sorry but she’s that good. Hate her all you want, she’s a stud and probably the best basketball player I’ve seen since Larry Bird.

Is she more athletic than those ladies? No. Can she jumps as high, run as fast or defend as well. No.

Can she flat out ball? YES

And this is coming from someone who is a Lady Vol fan 100% because of Candace Parker and Pat Summitt. Candace will forever be my favorite player but you cannot deny the way Clark plays the game.
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If she played for us, we might have been in the finals instead of LSU.
 
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Prophet1 said:
Honesty , is Catlin Clarke better than Candace Parker ?
Is she better than Chamique Holdsclaw?
Again , is she better than Tamika Catchings?
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No.
No.
and No.
And to answer one of the pundits who said after today's NC game "Clark will be the face of women's college basketball next year." No she will not. It will either be the Bayou Barbie Angel Reese or Tamari Key. The camera loves them both and their personalities go along with their swag. If Tamari has a great year especially against LSU it very easily could be her.
 
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turbovol said:
Clark is a guard, so it's hard to compare her to forwards, and it's silly to compare players from different eras.
That said, I'd say she's definitely better than Holdsclaw, who's strength was getting
offensive rebounds and putting them back in the basket--but not Parker and Catchings. Clark has to score
a lot for Iowa whereas that wasn't necessarily the case for Parker and Catchings.
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The voice of reason. Thank you Sir/Ma’am!
 
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She's the Pete Maravich of women's basketball, minus the floppy socks. Great player on an otherwise average team with no championships. Have you seen what Parker did in Chicago, years past her prime?
 
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Jax_Vol said:
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The other one had three consecutive national championships which isn't exactly cold slaw.
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I have questioned this argument for many years. Misty Green and Niya Butts also had three national championships. Are we really going to debate who is better CC, NB or MG (no respect to you MG & NB). Being a member of a championship team, even if you are a contributing member should not be the deciding factor.

The other part of this argument should be the parameters of the argument. What makes it difficult, besides the different eras, are many other factors. First off, are you only discussing college careers? Also, as far as individual player’s talents are you talking scoring, defense, value to the team, overall game, etc.

First, are you only talking about college careers? Using college football as an example, Archie Griffin and Doug Flutie had incredible seasons well deserving of their Heisman trophies (2 for Archie). While neither had stellar NFL careers, either could be argued as two of the greatest college football players of all time, although not the greatest football players of all time.

One of the things that makes this argument difficult when you discussing the three Tennessee players mentioned above, and others like Taurasi, Moore, Stewart and Bueckers, and others in the “best” argument, is how much of a load did they carry for their team. Maddie Seacrest of Villanova, and Morrow of Depaul basically were their team. So while CC, also carried the majority of the load for her team she had a fairly decent supporting cast. The argument was raging all year who is more important A. Boston or CC, The argument being Boston was not required to do as much, which is why she didn’t. I always looked at it where would Iowa be w/o Clarke and where would SC be without Boston. Clearly, SC would have been pretty successful with or without Boston, while Iowa would not. Diana Taurasi carried two teams to the national championship even with fairly weak supporting casts, by what many claim was by making her teammates better, something I am not convinced that CC does as well. However, I don’t believe even she carried as much of a load as CC did this year. The numbers speak for themselves.

I did not follow women’s basketball when Cheryl Swoopes, Cheryl Miller and Meyers played, but
if you are only discussing college careers, even taking into account recency bias, statistically speaking, you can have a strong case that CC is the best at this point if you look at her overall game. Then again, Sabrina Ionescu had a pretty good overall game and missed an opportunity to lead her team to a championship run. Therefore, after all this rambling, what I have determined is - it all comes down to your personal biases about what is most important.
 
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Candace Parker averaged 19.4 points, 8.8 rebounds, 2.6 assists, 1.9 steals, and 2.4 blocks per game while at Tennessee. She also averaged 2 TO per game. She did shoot 58% but only 25% from 3 point range.
 
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ncteacher88 said:
I have questioned this argument for many years. Misty Green and Niya Butts also had three national championships. Are we really going to debate who is better CC or MG (no respect to you MG & NB). Being a member of a championship team, even if you are a contributing member should not be the deciding factor.

The other part of this argument should be the parameters of the argument. What makes it difficult, besides the different eras, are many other factors. First off, are you only discussing college careers? Also, as far as individual players talents are you talking scoring, defense, value to the team, overall game, etc.

First, are you only talking about college careers? Using college football as an example, Archie Griffin and Doug Flutie had incredible seasons well deserving of their Heisman trophies (2 for Archie). While neither had stellar NFL careers, either could be argued as two of the greatest college football players of all time, although not the greatest football players of all time.

One of the things that makes this argument difficult when you discussing the three Tennessee players mentioned above, and others like Taurasi, Moore, Stewart and Bueckers, and others in the “best” argument, is how much of a load did they carry for their team. Maddie Seacrest of Villanova, and Morrow of Depaul basically were their team. So while CC, also carried the majority of the load for her team she had a fairly decent supporting cast. The argument was raging all year who is more important A. Boston or CC, The argument being Boston was not required to do as much, which is why she didn’t. I always looked at it where would Iowa be w/o Clarke and where would SC be without Boston. Clearly, SC would have been pretty successful with or without Boston, well Iowa would not. Diana Taurasi carried two teams to the national championship even with fairly weak supporting casts. However, I don’t believe even she carried as much of a load as CC did this year. The numbers speak for themselves.

I did not follow women’s basketball when Cheryl Swoopes, Cheryl Miller and Meyers played, but
if you are only discussing college careers, even taking into account recency bias, statistically speaking, you can have a strong case that CC is the best at this point if you look at her overall game. Then again, Sabrina Ionescu had a pretty good overall game and missed an opportunity to lead her team to a championship run.
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Ok. Parker and Catchings are Hall of Fame players. Not a snowball's chance that CC gets anywhere close to that level.

The question specifically called out those three players to compare. So, Holdschaw is the only one to truly discuss.

At this point, you just compare where CC is in her career versus CH at same age/year. Holdschaw was the # 1 star on teams loaded with the talent. She was the primary weapon even on a team that included Catchings. Holdschaw was the most dominant college player of the late 90's.

Therefore, it isn't even close. CC has had a great three years, and was surrounded by stout teammates this year. But, no ring(s).

Playing a one-on-one make it/take it game to 25 points, 21 year old CH would beat 21 year old CC by about 25-5.

As of April 2023, Holdshaw by a mile over CC. We will see what the future holds.
 
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Raebo said:
Candace Parker averaged 19.4 points, 8.8 rebounds, 2.6 assists, 1.9 steals, and 2.4 blocks per game while at Tennessee. She also averaged 2 TO per game. She did shoot 58% but only 25% from 3 point range.
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She just did whatever it took to win championships and keep teammates involved. If we needed her to get 30 points, she would do it.
 
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