Antoine Davis/Pete Maravich scoring title

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Should the NCAA really count stats as records for players getting to play 5 full years during Covid era? I think this is crazy but wonder what you guys believe to be fair. Davis is 3 points short of Pistol Pete and now lobbying to play in the CBI tourney basically so he can break the record.
How could anyone realistically lay claim to a career record when they know they had an extra 30+ games in a 5th season?
 
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Kas232323 said:
Should the NCAA really count stats as records for players getting to play 5 full years during Covid era? I think this is crazy but wonder what you guys believe to be fair. Davis is 3 points short of Pistol Pete and now lobbying to play in the CBI tourney basically so he can break the record.
How could anyone realistically lay claim to a career record when they know they had an extra 30+ games in a 5th season?
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Last I read it was 60+ games
 
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mtvols said:
Not sure what position this player plays but he has the added benefit of the three point line that Maravich did not have.
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Maravich did it in three year and 83 games. Davis has played 144 games over five years. I don’t think they’re going to the CBI. If they do, the asterisk will be the size of a stop sign. I’m taking nothing away from Davis He’s a freak scorer. He’s not Pete.
 
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I hope he breaks it. It's basically the record that's been held forever because no one else in NCAA history was allowed to play how Pete was. He took 54 combined shots/ft per game and was a low percentage chucker the whole time. There's been a lot of people that if you gave them that many shots and didn't really care about wins vs losses, who could have scored how Pete did. Jackson as LSU averaged 30 a game on about half the shot attempts it took for Pete to average 44.
 
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mtvols said:
Not sure what position this player plays but he has the added benefit of the three point line that Maravich did not have.
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He also has the added benefit of being the only decent player on a terrible team, of which his dad is the coach. I don't think that last part can be stated enough as far as this record is concerned
 
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I dont think they deserve to go to any tournament. They are 8th on their league. After the Ncaa and Nit select their will be like 80 or more non power 5 conference teams with better records. I dont think they would screw over a better team to let a team with a 14--19 record go just so one guy can break a record he really doesnt deserve. If they do select them , they should count Petes Nit points as well....or his Freshman year to since Davis got 5 years
 
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VolArmy74 said:
I hope he breaks it. It's basically the record that's been held forever because no one else in NCAA history was allowed to play how Pete was. He took 54 combined shots/ft per game and was a low percentage chucker the whole time. There's been a lot of people that if you gave them that many shots and didn't really care about wins vs losses, who could have scored how Pete did. Jackson as LSU averaged 30 a game on about half the shot attempts it took for Pete to average 44.
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Would it change your opinion if you checked the stats and realized Pete was a career 43% shooter and Davis is 40%?? Kinda pokes holes in your theory….
 
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Special Ed said:
It's been posited that Pistol Pete would have averaged over 60 points per game had there been a 3-point line in his day.
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Dale Brown used the existing shot charts. Pete would’ve averaged 57 points a game with the three point line. Obviously he’d of taken more long shots if there were an incentive to do so. Every team focused their D entirely on him. For context, Bird and Chamberlain averaged 30 points per game. Kareem averaged 26. Pete averaged 44.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
I hope he breaks it. It's basically the record that's been held forever because no one else in NCAA history was allowed to play how Pete was. He took 54 combined shots/ft per game and was a low percentage chucker the whole time. There's been a lot of people that if you gave them that many shots and didn't really care about wins vs losses, who could have scored how Pete did. Jackson as LSU averaged 30 a game on about half the shot attempts it took for Pete to average 44.
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At least gets your facts straight if you are going to make an argument. Pete career fg percentage was 43.8%. Antoine’s is 40.8%. So while Pete did take more shots he had a higher fg percentage than Antoine. If Pete was a “chucker” so is Antione. Detroit Mercy’s record during Antoine’s time 59-88 (43.8%) and LSU’s was 49-35 (58.3%) during Pete’s time. So two of your premises are not true, Pete was a worse shooter than Antoine and that LSU didn’t care about winning. A side note, Tennessee’s team fg percentage this year is 43.4% so the 12th ranked team is just a bunch of “chuckers” according to you.
 
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Pistol has the average scoring records. He could lose the total scoring record. It is what it is. Bernard King is the greatest player ever at Tennessee. But he only played 3 years. Ernie played 4 and was the all-time leading scorer for about 15 years. Then Houston took it away with the help of the 3PL.

Rules change all the time that affect the record book. The shot clock is a big one. Even 3 refs instead of 2 have an impact. There’d be far fewer turnovers in the 60s and 70s using today’s interpretations of traveling and double dribble violations.
 
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Chuck said it best the other day. It’s impossible to compare players across different eras.

But two things you can compare. Both played for their daddies with the green light to shoot.

And neither are close to the best players in college basketball during their years. (For Pete, that’s Alcindor. For Davis, it’d Edey)
 
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omghulkhands said:
Chuck said it best the other day. It’s impossible to compare players across different eras.

But two things you can compare. Both played for their daddies with the green light to shoot.

And neither are close to the best players in college basketball during their years. (For Pete, that’s Alcindor. For Davis, it’d Edey)
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I’m not sure I’m putting Edey near the top of the best players in college over the past 5 years. He’s solid but not convinced he’s in the top 5, especially not over the course of his career. I could probably name at least 10-20 better players during the past 4 years. He’s tough inside though. No doubt.
 
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Kas232323 said:
I’m not sure I’m putting Edey near the top of the best players in college over the past 5 years. He’s solid but not convinced he’s in the top 5, especially not over the course of his career. I could probably name at least 10-20 better players during the past 4 years. He’s tough inside though. No doubt.
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Sure I was more thinking this year specifically but yah
 
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Kas232323 said:
Would it change your opinion if you checked the stats and realized Pete was a career 43% shooter and Davis is 40%?? Kinda pokes holes in your theory….
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And he regularly sunk shots from way beyond the 3 point line in both college and the NBA.
 
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OrangeVolMan said:
At least gets your facts straight if you are going to make an argument. Pete career fg percentage was 43.8%. Antoine’s is 40.8%. So while Pete did take more shots he had a higher fg percentage than Antoine. If Pete was a “chucker” so is Antione. Detroit Mercy’s record during Antoine’s time 59-88 (43.8%) and LSU’s was 49-35 (58.3%) during Pete’s time. So two of your premises are not true, Pete was a worse shooter than Antoine and that LSU didn’t care about winning. A side note, Tennessee’s team fg percentage this year is 43.4% so the 12th ranked team is just a bunch of “chuckers” according to you.
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I have my facts straight. And yes, our shooting percentage is in the bottom 3rd of the nation this year. It's not good. We aren't chuckers though. Chuckers take 40 shots a game and make 16.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Pistol has the average scoring records. He could lose the total scoring record. It is what it is. Bernard King is the greatest player ever at Tennessee. But he only played 3 years. Ernie played 4 and was the all-time leading scorer for about 15 years. Then Houston took it away with the help of the 3PL.

Rules change all the time that affect the record book. The shot clock is a big one. Even 3 refs instead of 2 have an impact. There’d be far fewer turnovers in the 60s and 70s using today’s interpretations of traveling and double dribble violations.
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I did the math once, King would have averaged something like 58ppg with the shot opportunities Pete got.
 
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