Anybody just lost interest in todays College football

[GoVols64]

What it was meant to be was a way for the NCAA and the schools to exploit the athletes for profit. They still do, but now at least some if the athletes get to share some of the profits.

I don’t know that people were intentionally trying to exploit athletes. That’s a newer narrative when NIL picked up. Perhaps I’m naive in that thought.

I believe it was a case of trying to put more and more controls in place to address problems, cheating, etc. to follow amateur competitive rules. As with most regulating bodies they just add rules vs. being strategic and it becomes bloated until failure.

I admit it may have become that in the last 10ish years, just don’t think it was always an intentional initiative.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I don’t know that people were intentionally trying to exploit athletes. That’s a newer narrative when NIL picked up. Perhaps I’m naive in that thought.

I believe it was a case of trying to put more and more controls in place to address problems, cheating, etc. to follow amateur competitive rules. As with most regulating bodies they just add rules vs. being strategic and it becomes bloated until failure.

I admit it may have become that in the last 10ish years, just don’t think it was always an intentional initiative.

The NCAA was in a bad spot but they knew the players were being exploited.

They knew some were getting paid illegally and were worth far more to the schools than just the athletic scholarship. They knew that.

They also knew that what we're seeing now was the outcome if they started compensating the athletes openly. They knew they couldn't control NIL, nor any open compensation, without turning college athletics into pro athletics. They knew that.

I've seen over and over people saying "They should've compromised. They should've let the players get some money." They can't now and couldn't then control compensation once they allowed it in any form.

How are you going to tell schools you can openly give $20M to athletes, but that's all..... no more and not expect to be sued because an industry like, for instance, the auto industry can't say "No automaker can have a payroll of more than $20M. Not Chevy, not Ford, no one." That's directly non-competitive for businesses. Forget the workers for a moment, that's not good for the businesses competing to get workers. The NCAA knew this.

They couldn't crack the door at all on player compensation without it turning into an open bidding war with no limit on a team's budget for players. UNLESS, they go to a pro model with unions, salary caps, free agency rules, etc, etc.

No one wanted to see that so the NCAA willingly exploited the athletes as long as they could so everyone else in the industry could make money. They knew it. They made a choice.

 

[BACKDOC]

I feel like with NIL and all the changes i find myself just not having as much interest in it. Depressing honestly. I personally think all college sports are ruined going forward. I’ll still watch the Vols but it’s just meh at this point. There’s no team loyalty, it’s just about money now.

I'll tell you what I've lost interest in is Bama winning the natty every other year. Therefore the answer is no!

 

[Devo182]

Nope! The playoffs are exciting as ever, with more parity than since the 90s.

And, oh yeah, we're good again!

 

[overseasorange2]

i'm enjoy high school sports more.

Give them time, they will be asking for large $$ before too long

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

I don’t know that people were intentionally trying to exploit athletes. That’s a newer narrative when NIL picked up. Perhaps I’m naive in that thought.

I believe it was a case of trying to put more and more controls in place to address problems, cheating, etc. to follow amateur competitive rules. As with most regulating bodies they just add rules vs. being strategic and it becomes bloated until failure.

I admit it may have become that in the last 10ish years, just don’t think it was always an intentional initiative.

The NCAA entire sports model was illegal.andvopen exploitation. So says the U.S. Supreme Court we gen they ruled 9-0 against the NCAA in the NCAA vs Alston compensation case.


"Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate
Under ordinary principles of antitrust law, it is not evident why college sports should be any different."

"The NCAA is not above the law."

SCOTUS Justice Brett Kavanaugh
Concurring opinion
NCAA vs Alston

 

[LordVOLdemort]

The point missing here (and I agree w/free markets) is football used to be something you played FOR your school while you earned a degree. It was never meant to be a job.

I’m with you, Maximize your value. The NCAA went way to far and this is the correction now.

Then, if this is the point, all the money needs to go into education and coaches need to coach for their schools and make reasonable salaries.

 

[GoVols64]

Then, if this is the point, all the money needs to go into education and coaches need to coach for their schools and make reasonable salaries.

Coaches were always hired to do a job as an employee; no different than teachers and/or administrators. Players were intended to be students and their incentive was a free ride. Saying coaches and players have the same place within a school makes no sense to me. Your comment falls into a straw man fallacy.

Out of curiosity please define what you would consider a "reasonable" salary?

 

[The Original Fade]

Feels like NIL and the portal were not to better the conditions for student athletes, but instead a means to get even with high paid coaches who leave programs for bigger paychecks with no repercussions

 

[Go aeiou]

Yeah... It does feel like the heart and soul of college football is slowly fading away....

Honestly it's why I love European soccer so much. The fans have done a fantastic job keeping the soul of the game there to the point the entire continent rioted when they tried to form a "Super League". Unfortunately with our culture being heavily influenced by capitalism it was probably an eventuality that College Football would become a soulless business...

Yeah, I get up on Saturday mornings and watch the Premier League. It's just a good game.
Appropriately called Football.

 

[AurantiacoFan]

I am not sure what has happened, but I have pretty much stopped watching college sports this year. One of my daughters plays soccer out west, so we obviously follow her closely. Unsure what has happened. I guess I just got older and realize these are fairly young kids playing a meaningless game with no importance in/on my life once my own kids are not involved. Sort of strange because it just sort of happened. On the other hand, I still click on the icon to come to this board every week or two to see what I missed (and to copy/paste some of the dad jokes in the other forum on this board to ensure I can still get a long distance "rolling of the eyes" response from my kids)...

 

[jasonvol18]

I feel like with NIL and all the changes i find myself just not having as much interest in it. Depressing honestly. I personally think all college sports are ruined going forward. I’ll still watch the Vols but it’s just meh at this point. There’s no team loyalty, it’s just about money now.

Not me, I'll always have interest in it. Truthfully, it's not like any of us wouldn't do the exact same thing at their age. Fans can complain about it, but it wouldn't be any different if it had started when we were that age.

Hell, I love the playoffs outside of how they do the seeding. There was still a lot of good games outside of the opening round. It's to the point now that you either change and evolve, or you become the doormat and end up in the Birmingham Bowl.

 

[Ritzwatch]

This kinda sums it up for me.

That or I am just O.L.D. Still root for the Vols, though.
And, there is always Baseball!

 

[jasonvol18]

If you look at the playoff the only surprise is Notre Dame and maybe Penn State but they both are name brands that recruit pretty well. The other two are the usual suspects. NIL hasn’t really changed who the best teams are IMO.

Not so sure about that. It changed quite a bit. Arizona St, SMU, Indiana have benefited from NIL and even TN, Penn St,Ole Miss and Boise have benefited from it also . It's hurt GA, Ala,Clemson because talent has been spread around. Last year, Washington threw their name in the right. There will not be any more dynasty's like Ala just had. Those years are gone and parity is here to stay.

Who knows who will be next years Indiana, SMU, Washington etc.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Coaches were always hired to do a job as an employee; no different than teachers and/or administrators. Players were intended to be students and their incentive was a free ride. Saying coaches and players have the same place within a school makes no sense to me. Your comment falls into a straw man fallacy.

Out of curiosity please define what you would consider a "reasonable" salary?

Fair market value. That's not a set number. It's whatever the market will bear. It's no different than setting a price point for a coach, a CEO, a landscaper, or a Happy Meal.