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My hope is the "real fans" that add a great deal of knowledge to this forum are willing to appreciate reality. I have read many post that I feel prove that many of us are just setting ourselves up for a disappointed in the remainder of the season. I am going to state what I consider to be the reality of this team and would love to hear agreements and disagreements.

1) RPI was 134 before yesterday. An NCAA tourney at large bid isn't within the realm of possibility. Finding a way to qualify for the NIT would be a significant accomplishment and that mind set should have been in place since mid December.

2) This team is transforming at an astounding pace and should give us serious belief in CM. Simply put I wouldn't trade him for anybody at this point. We have something special it sure seems.

3) There should be no expectation of winning all our remaining games on the road. I expect us to win one or two but in no way do I think we win all three remaining games on the road.

4)The future is very bright and in no way should a few more losses this season hurt that excitement.


I don't mean to sound like such a downer but all this talk and winning out and making a serious run in the SEC tourney isn't reality IMO. I hope we will all appreciate the transformation this team has made and enjoy each and every accomplishment this first year even if it isn't where we now feel very confident CM will take us in the future.
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BruinVol said:
My hope is the "real fans" that add a great deal of knowledge to this forum are willing to appreciate reality. I have read many post that I feel prove that many of us are just setting ourselves up for a disappointed in the remainder of the season. I am going to state what I consider to be the reality of this team and would love to hear agreements and disagreements.

1) RPI was 134 before yesterday. An NCAA tourney at large bid isn't within the realm of possibility. Finding a way to qualify for the NIT would be a significant accomplishment and that mind set should have been in place since mid December.

2) This team is transforming at an astounding pace and should give us serious belief in CM. Simply put I wouldn't trade him for anybody at this point. We have something special it sure seems.

3) There should be no expectation of winning all our remaining games on the road. I expect us to win one or two but in no way do I think we win all three remaining games on the road.

4)The future is very bright and in no way should a few more losses this season hurt that excitement.


I don't mean to sound like such a downer but all this talk and winning out and making a serious run in the SEC tourney isn't reality IMO. I hope we will all appreciate the transformation this team has made and enjoy each and every accomplishment this first year even if it isn't where we now feel very confident CM will take us in the future.
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Reality is much appreciated. My only point would be that there is reason for optimism. Tennessee is not celebrating a moral victory today- it's a victory, and a big one, of a conference road win over a top 10 team. I agree that chances of dancing are remote, but remember that how a team finishes is part of the criteria that may reward teams with an at large bid. With continued great play, the Vols could record a great finish and end up in the top 5 in the SEC. Couple that with a strong tourney finish, and a 10-12 seed could happen if they can overcome the anchor weight of the APSU loss.

I do agree with you that some may set themselves up for disappointment with unrealistic expectations vs hope, but would also like to add that anyone who uses the word "disappointing" for the season that this team has put together truly has no grasp on reality and has no appreciation for the phenomenal job CCM and the team have done.
 
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volshogs said:
but would also like to add that anyone who uses the word "disappointing" for the season that this team has put together truly has no grasp on reality and has no appreciation for the phenomenal job CCM and the team have done.
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My hope is that no one will use the word disappointed regardless of what happens in the remainder of the season. Your statement above is spot on.
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Why is it necessary to always have some well articulated, nuanced view of reality in this forum? Isn't blind optimism in your home team so much more fun? I'm serious! Once we all find some emotional balance and get rid of the need to always be right in a sports discussion, we can start enjoying the sport for what it is -just a game! And a fun one at that. Had fun watching the win yesterday and I really hope we finish strong. Fun times are returning to Rocky Top. Let's enjoy them!!!
 
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Our RPI before the UF game was 110 and our SOS was 33. We are in a nice position to finish out the season. Our team matches up well with every team left on the schedule.
 
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vol2002 said:
Why is it necessary to always have some well articulated, nuanced view of reality in this forum? Isn't blind optimism in your home team so much more fun? I'm serious! Once we all find some emotional balance and get rid of the need to always be right in a sports discussion, we can start enjoying the sport for what it is -just a game! And a fun one at that. Had fun watching the win yesterday and I really hope we finish strong. Fun times are returning to Rocky Top. Let's enjoy them!!!
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I have no issue with blind optimism but if it turns into a negative when it isn't fulfilled that's the point of this thread. Point being the Vandy game. It turned into a big downer for many posters on here and I thought that wasn't warranted. Another bad game will be just the same. The road in the SEC isn't a place to expect great things and isn't a sign of bad things to come IMO.
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BruinVol said:
My hope is the "real fans" that add a great deal of knowledge to this forum are willing to appreciate reality. I have read many post that I feel prove that many of us are just setting ourselves up for a disappointed in the remainder of the season. I am going to state what I consider to be the reality of this team and would love to hear agreements and disagreements.

1) RPI was 134 before yesterday. An NCAA tourney at large bid isn't within the realm of possibility. Finding a way to qualify for the NIT would be a significant accomplishment and that mind set should have been in place since mid December.

2) This team is transforming at an astounding pace and should give us serious belief in CM. Simply put I wouldn't trade him for anybody at this point. We have something special it sure seems.

3) There should be no expectation of winning all our remaining games on the road. I expect us to win one or two but in no way do I think we win all three remaining games on the road.

4)The future is very bright and in no way should a few more losses this season hurt that excitement.


I don't mean to sound like such a downer but all this talk and winning out and making a serious run in the SEC tourney isn't reality IMO. I hope we will all appreciate the transformation this team has made and enjoy each and every accomplishment this first year even if it isn't where we now feel very confident CM will take us in the future.
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Post of the day.
 
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BruinVol said:
My hope is the "real fans" that add a great deal of knowledge to this forum are willing to appreciate reality. I have read many post that I feel prove that many of us are just setting ourselves up for a disappointed in the remainder of the season. I am going to state what I consider to be the reality of this team and would love to hear agreements and disagreements.

1) RPI was 134 before yesterday. An NCAA tourney at large bid isn't within the realm of possibility. Finding a way to qualify for the NIT would be a significant accomplishment and that mind set should have been in place since mid December.

2) This team is transforming at an astounding pace and should give us serious belief in CM. Simply put I wouldn't trade him for anybody at this point. We have something special it sure seems.

3) There should be no expectation of winning all our remaining games on the road. I expect us to win one or two but in no way do I think we win all three remaining games on the road.

4)The future is very bright and in no way should a few more losses this season hurt that excitement.


I don't mean to sound like such a downer but all this talk and winning out and making a serious run in the SEC tourney isn't reality IMO. I hope we will all appreciate the transformation this team has made and enjoy each and every accomplishment this first year even if it isn't where we now feel very confident CM will take us in the future.
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the only issue i have with this post is 1, that is just such an innaccurate statement. a ncaa bid is absolutely in the realm of possibility i dont know why you dont see that, do some research on rpi and you'll understand why i say this. is it probably? no not really. is it possible? absolutely. but you know what, was yesterdays win probably? no, possible? yes.

you state 2 wins on the road is likely, well 2 wins on the road and 3 wins at home(were a good home team) and we are a bubble team heading into the ncaa tournament. we would have a little work to do, but nonetheless we would be a bubble team at that point, probably reffered to as next 4 out.

i cant speak for everyone, but in my case im not setting myself up for dissaponitment, im the one being realistic. you saying that there is no way we can get an auto bid is actually unrealistic honestly. if i expected tennessee to make the dance and they didnt, then yes thatd be setting myself up for dissapointment, but im not expecting it just saying it is possible and that this is what itd take.

how is a run in the sec t unlikely?. if the season ended right now we'd play auburn in rd 1, then msu in rd 2, and florida in rd 3....thats an impossible feat?

all other points i agree on though, great coach that we have found, and i hope he is here for a long long time
 
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The key is to win or go deep in the SEC tourney as well as win out. Neither are likely, but winning will boost the RPI. The team plays great in one game and horribly in another.
 
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I think if we win 4-5 of our next 6 and make it to the semi-finals in the SEC, we will have a pretty good case for an NCAA bid.
 
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the only issue i have with this post is 1, that is just such an innaccurate statement. a ncaa bid is absolutely in the realm of possibility i dont know why you dont see that, do some research on rpi and you'll understand why i say this. is it probably? no not really. is it possible? absolutely. but you know what, was yesterdays win probably? no, possible? yes.

you state 2 wins on the road is likely, well 2 wins on the road and 3 wins at home(were a good home team) and we are a bubble team heading into the ncaa tournament. we would have a little work to do, but nonetheless we would be a bubble team at that point, probably reffered to as next 4 out.

i cant speak for everyone, but in my case im not setting myself up for dissaponitment, im the one being realistic. you saying that there is no way we can get an auto bid is actually unrealistic honestly. if i expected tennessee to make the dance and they didnt, then yes thatd be setting myself up for dissapointment, but im not expecting it just saying it is possible and that this is what itd take.

how is a run in the sec t unlikely?. if the season ended right now we'd play auburn in rd 1, then msu in rd 2, and florida in rd 3....thats an impossible feat?

all other points i agree on though, great coach that we have found, and i hope he is here for a long long time
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If we win 5 of 6 as you say where do you see our RPI?

I see it no better than 75. That isn't even in the at large bid discussion.
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Do I think we'll make the tourney? No. I see a slip up or two.

Do I think we are completely out of it? Hell, no.
 
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BruinVol said:
If we win 5 of 6 as you say where do you see our RPI?

I see it no better than 75. That isn't even in the at large bid discussion.
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Really would depend on who the loss was to.
LSU on the road we probably have a bout a 66 - 70.
We'd still have to play in the SEC championship game either way to get to 40 -50 range. IMO
 
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Nice post and completely true. I do say however, that there is nothing wrong with having a positive attitude and cheering this team on till the end to see what they can pull off. I see the only possibility for a tourney bid is winning the SEC, or maybe finishing strong and losing in OT to KY in the finals of the SEC. Reality though- we look really good in the NIT and will come back with a vengeance next year.
 
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BruinVol said:
If we win 5 of 6 as you say where do you see our RPI?

I see it no better than 75. That isn't even in the at large bid discussion.
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if we win 5 of 6 we're looking around in the 60 range

but your forgetting the sec t, 2 wins there were in the 40's

go read the thread i started i really broke down every scenario with numbers from an actual rpi rating standpoint
 
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When the hell did being "objective" become a prerequisite for being an intelligent fan? The word "fan" derives from the word "fanatic". I will fanatically cheer on the team no matter what happens the rest of February and March, but don't tell me winning 5 of the last 6 and 2 in the SEC Tourney precludes Tennessee from an outside shot at the NCAA Tourney. Either way, almost none of the regular posters on this board, who don't suckle at the teat of Bruce Pearl, will complain if we don't make it, so being aggressively optimistic is the only way to be, imo. The drive-by, holier-than-thou crap has it's own place now.
 
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PoochPunt3rdDown said:
When the hell did being "objective" become a prerequisite for being an intelligent fan? The word "fan" derives from the word "fanatic". I will fanatically cheer on the team no matter what happens the rest of February and March, but don't tell me winning 5 of the last 6 and 2 in the SEC Tourney precludes Tennessee from an outside shot at the NCAA Tourney. Either way, almost none of the regular posters on this board, who don't suckle at the teat of Bruce Pearl, will complain if we don't make it, so being aggressively optimistic is the only way to be, imo. The drive-by, holier-than-thou crap has it's own place now.
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+1

classic :lolabove:
 
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It is possible, just not very likely.

Arky isn't gonna lay down

Ole Miss is better than anyone here is giving them credit for, I assume they have not watched them play any

LSU isn't consistent but they have played teams tough

Vandy is just good, pure and simple


In my mind we can lose a game, but it can't be to vandy as they would be a good rpi builder. In addition we would have to beat either Vandy, UK, Florida or Miss st. In the tournament and not lose to an sec team from the bottom half of the standing
 
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