Are Kevin Sumlin and The Aggies, Gene Chizik at Auburn 2.0

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TXA&M07 said:
Depends on several factors there.

One being how long the folks in Austin continue to conduct businessby using the good ole boy network. I hope Mack gets an extension frankly.
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In your opinion what seperates this past years A&M team and the anticipated success from say the 2004-2011 Aggies.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I think we watched different teams.

TAMU played UF and LSU tough in close losses, and they took it to Alabama and Oklahoma.

If TAMU was average in 2013, then 85% of CFB teams were below average.
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You could definitely be right, I'm really hung up on that LA.Tech game though
 
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Reggie McNeal's teams were percieved to be world beaters to a certain degree. Similar to what many are expecting/predicting/anticipating. The diffrence is coaching across the board and the system that is played.

You could compare McNeal and Johnny only to a certain degree. They were/are both very dynamic and elusive, but one had a coach that seemed to tie an anchor around him. Sumlin will run "3rd and Johnny" from just about anywhere on the field and expect it to succeed. I think we all saw that last year, and he gradually opened the playbook up.

TO be brief, I dont think anyone really knows how much Kevin has mastered the "air raid" and they certainly didnt respect it last year. Have they figured it out over the off season? How much more does he have in the book we havnt seen? Do you really think Johnny hasnt gotten better? The recievers gotten better?

McNeal's team couldnt stay within 30 of Johnny's ie: Fran couldnt stay within 30 of Kevin
 
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lukeneyland said:
You could definitely be right, I'm really hung up on that LA.Tech game though
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You are...it's easy to ding a good team for playing down to its competition instead of looking at their body of work.

If you're looking for consistency in college kids week in and week out, chances are you will be routinely disappointed. Motivation is different from one week to the next.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
Reggie McNeal's teams were percieved to be world beaters to a certain degree. Similar to what many are expecting/predicting/anticipating. The diffrence is coaching across the board and the system that is played.

You could compare McNeal and Johnny only to a certain degree. They were/are both very dynamic and elusive, but one had a coach that seemed to tie an anchor around him. Sumlin will run "3rd and Johnny" from just about anywhere on the field and expect it to succeed. I think we all saw that last year, and he gradually opened the playbook up.

TO be brief, I dont think anyone really knows how much Kevin has mastered the "air raid" and they certainly didnt respect it last year. Have they figured it out over the off season? How much more does he have in the book we havnt seen? Do you really think Johnny hasnt gotten better? The recievers gotten better?

McNeal's team couldnt stay within 30 of Johnny's ie: Fran couldnt stay within 30 of Kevin
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I remember McNeal's team couldn't stay within 30 of us either, unfortunately that's been reversed though.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
You are...it's easy to ding a good team for playing down to its competition instead of looking at their body of work.

If you're looking for consistency in college kids week in and week out, chances are you will be routinely disappointed. Motivation is different from one week to the next.
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That's pretty sound reasoning, too bad Florida never loses motivation against us haha!
 
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A&M will continue to build just because there in texas and apart of the SEC. great instate talent that wants to compete with the very best. not the best place to go, but the best instate place to go. dont see them taking the west for a long time thou.
 
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Sumlin can coach AND recruit. He knows what he is doing. They'll be around for awhile.

The sad part is that UT could be in TAMU's position had Hamilton went after Sumlin instead of Dooley.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Nonsense...Texas produces too many quality football players for TAMU to fall off the map, especially with Mack Brown doing all he can to run Texas into the ground before he retires.

Sumlin's worst season at Houston was 5-7, and he followed up that season with a 12-win and 11-win season before taking the Texas A&M job.

Chizik had a couple 3-win seasons and a 2-win season at Iowa State before taking the AU job.

Sumlin is on a different planet than Chizik.
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co-signed
 
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zjcvols said:
Sumlin can coach AND recruit. He knows what he is doing. They'll be around for awhile.

The sad part is that UT could be in TAMU's position had Hamilton went after Sumlin instead of Dooley.
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This is just straight-up foolish. Was there a Manziel style player on the team at the time? Or a Case Keenum level QB?? Sumlin has taken over 2 situations way different, than UT at the time. So saying we would be at the level of success that tamu had last year is just not a rational thought.

Last season tamu had an unknown factor no one could prepare for. FL had no clue about him so they couldn't prepare for him. Remember tamu's 1st game was suppose to be LA Tech. Manziel being a total surprise is a huge factor. Teams now know about him and will prepare for him throughout the spring, summer and up to that game. Going to be totally different this yr, and wouldn't be surprised if Manziel gets hurt or doesn't play for behavioral reasons or frankly the implementations of an actually playbook could boggle him down with thinking to much.

Just all imho that's all...
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Oskie Volum said:
This is just straight-up foolish. Was there a Manziel style player on the team at the time? Or a Case Keenum level QB?? Sumlin has taken over 2 situations way different, than UT at the time. So saying we would be at the level of success that tamu had last year is just not a rational thought.

Last season tamu had an unknown factor no one could prepare for. FL had no clue about him so they couldn't prepare for him. Remember tamu's 1st game was suppose to be LA Tech. Manziel being a total surprise is a huge factor. Teams now know about him and will prepare for him throughout the spring, summer and up to that game. Going to be totally different this yr, and wouldn't be surprised if Manziel gets hurt or doesn't play for behavioral reasons or frankly the implementations of an actually playbook could boggle him down with thinking to much.

Just all imho that's all...
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Did I say it was a given? I said "could". UT was a tougher job than TAMU at the time. Had Sumlin taken over at UT, he'd be going on year four. I doubt he would have went 10-2 his first year at UT.

But I bet UT would not have three straight losing seasons with Sumlin at the helm.
 
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A&M's Achilles heel going into this season is their Defense. Who will step it up and become the next Von Miller or Damontre Moore? Put some pressure on the QB and your corners look like Deion Sanders. That's an oversimplification, but I think we all know putting points on the board won't be A&M's problem.

A&M's D won't be an issue for long though...Sumlin is building something special in College Station. Regarding the original comparison, I don't see any similarities. At first, I wasn't a fan of Sumlin or his tricked up offense...but his on and off the field actions quickly turned me around. He possesses a quiet confidence (and swagger) that I don't see in many college football coaches.

Even when Texas gets their act together, A&M should be OK. Case in point...picking up the top QB in the nation (out of Arizona) shows the man can recruit against anybody.
 
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zjcvols said:
Did I say it was a given? I said "could". UT was a tougher job than TAMU at the time. Had Sumlin taken over at UT, he'd be going on year four. I doubt he would have went 10-2 his first year at UT.

But I bet UT would not have three straight losing seasons with Sumlin at the helm.
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Coulda woulda shoulda...doesn't matter. No proof at all that he could have done any better. Nothing in his resume shows he could have taken over a program in the situation we were in at that time, and have succeeded.

I know so many are on his jock about why he didn't get the offer but no one knows if it was his decision to take his name off the list. The safe bet at the time was that UT at that time was a career killer for any coach who took it. And we were paying league minimums for the job too. He got what every coach that had their agent put their name out there on the hiring wire...a pay raise. Yall need to get off the guys jock it's pathetic...its like sitting around upset a girl in HS didn't go out with u. The guy has nothing to do with UT.
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God, I hate the "he surprised people last year, but he won't this year" crowd.

After a few games, coaches knew the kid could freakin' play. They knew he could improvise. Not much of a "surprise". How about y'all just admit the kid can play football?

Furthermore, no, the Aggies are here to stay. In fact, I can see them being like a modern-day Florida. Up until their rise to prominence, Miami and Florida State ran the Sunshine State. Now, it's Gator country. The Longhorn crowd is foolish to think that this can't happen in Texas. Texas A&M has built-in geographic advantages (like Florida), they have first-rate facilities, and their fanbase is strong. They're not a flash in the pan.
 
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