Are Our Troops Going To Vote Obama!

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jkell24 said:
We have had a Bush or Clinton in office for 20 years now and Hillary has sold out to big corporations, she owes some favors, that is why I support Barack Obama. .
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So you support Obama because you are tired of Bush/Clinton? Not because he actually has any ideas or anything? Ringing endorsement there.
 
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allvol123 said:
So you support Obama because you are tired of Bush/Clinton? Not because he actually has any ideas or anything? Ringing endorsement there.
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There's definitely a big time cult of personality thing going on for Obama right now.
 
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allvol123 said:
So you support Obama because you are tired of Bush/Clinton? Not because he actually has any ideas or anything? Ringing endorsement there.
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I'm sorry, I don't remember saying that the exact reason i support Obama is because of Clinton/ Bush have controlled the country the past 20 years? Thanks for being my press secretary, could you also tell me what I'm having for luch because I'm getting hungry?

If you want the full details of Barack Obama's ideas than go to his website or myspace website. In short I like the idea of making the tax system better for more Americans, export more goods from America, against privitizing social security, no school vouchers, making us more independent on energy, cleaner environment, healthcare reform (tired of companies like Pfizer robbing us blind while putting money in the pockets of politicians to protect them), illegal immigration (Nashville's latino population has almost doubled from 2000 - 2005 under Bush's watch because we don't protect our border or fine companies for hiring illegals. Barack Obama has a plan that I like to improve the situation. There are several more issues but I can't type forever. Read for yourself but don't assume you know why I support a candidate or put words in my mouth.
 
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jkell24 said:
I'm sorry, I don't remember saying that the exact reason i support Obama is because of Clinton/ Bush have controlled the country the past 20 years? Thanks for being my press secretary, could you also tell me what I'm having for luch because I'm getting hungry?

If you want the full details of Barack Obama's ideas than go to his website or myspace website. In short I like the idea of making the tax system better for more Americans, export more goods from America, against privitizing social security, no school vouchers, making us more independent on energy, cleaner environment, healthcare reform (tired of companies like Pfizer robbing us blind while putting money in the pockets of politicians to protect them), illegal immigration (Nashville's latino population has almost doubled from 2000 - 2005 under Bush's watch because we don't protect our border or fine companies for hiring illegals. Barack Obama has a plan that I like to improve the situation. There are several more issues but I can't type forever. Read for yourself but don't assume you know why I support a candidate or put words in my mouth.
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I don't care what you are having for lunch. I just took what you posted and responded to it.
 
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utvolpj said:
Change just for the sake of change is not always a good thing.
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Agree, but when that change has to o with replacing G.W. Bush and Dick Cheney it can't get much worse in my eyes. I know a lot of people like these people but I don't . Although Ron Paul and Barack Obama are different I like a lot of things both of them stand for. I would have to set aside my differences with Paul on Vouchers and Social Security he does have some good ideas. There are things I put aside with Obama too. I am against abortion for example but republicans run on a pro-life platform and then keep abortion legal so why vote on an issue that doesn't change? There are thousands of issues and two main parties. How can anyone soley support 1 party 100 percent? I don't.
 
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allvol123 said:
I don't care what you are having for lunch. I just took what you posted and responded to it.
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In response to Obama's tax plan here it is:


"The Problem
Increasing Debt: Under President Bush, the federal debt has increased from $5.7 trillion to $8.8 trillion, an increase of more than 50 percent.

Irresponsible Tax Cuts: President Bush's policies of giving tax breaks for the wealthy will cost the nation over $2.3 trillion by the time they expire in 2009.

Barack Obama's Plan
Restore Fiscal Discipline to Washington
Reinstate PAYGO Rules: Obama believes that a critical step in restoring fiscal discipline is enforcing pay-as-you-go (PAYGO) budgeting rules which require new spending commitments or tax changes to be paid for by cuts to other programs or new revenue.
Reverse Bush Tax Cuts for the Wealthy: Obama will protect tax cuts for poor and middle class families, but he will reverse most of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest taxpayers.
Cut Pork Barrel Spending: Obama introduced and passed bipartisan legislation that would require more disclosure and transparency for special-interest earmarks. Obama believes that spending that cannot withstand public scrutiny cannot be justified. Obama will slash earmarks to no greater than year 2001 levels and ensure all spending decisions are open to the public.
Make Government Spending More Accountable and Efficient: Obama will ensure that federal contracts over $25,000 are competitively bid. Obama will also increase the efficiency of government programs through better use of technology, stronger management that demands accountability and by leveraging the government's high-volume purchasing power to get lower prices.
End Wasteful Government Spending: Obama will stop funding wasteful, obsolete federal government programs that make no financial sense. Obama has called for an end to subsidies for oil and gas companies that are enjoying record profits, as well as the elimination of subsidies to the private student loan industry which has repeatedly used unethical business practices. Obama will also tackle wasteful spending in the Medicare program.
Make the Tax System More Fair and Efficient
End Tax Haven Abuse: Building on his bipartisan work in the Senate, Obama will give the Treasury Department the tools it needs to stop the abuse of tax shelters and offshore tax havens and help close the $350 billion tax gap between taxes owed and taxes paid.
Close Special Interest Corporate Loopholes: Obama will level the playing field for all businesses by eliminating special-interest loopholes and deductions, such as those for the oil and gas industry."
 
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myrobbins7 said:
Ok, I wake up this morning and I see 3 major newspapers AND the Fl. gov. backing John McCain. I just don't get it, what is it they see in this guy? If there are any McCain folks on the board please tell me what im missing. :dunno: (Not trying to bash the guy btw, just want to know)
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Not judging any of this, but here's what seems to be happening:

I think there's a huge portion of this country that is sick of the Washington establishment on both sides, and people are looking for candidates on both sides who aren't beholden to it. Here's how they might view the candidates:

McCain, despite the fact that he's old and has been a senator for many years and didn't stand up to Bush after Rove and co. spread false rumors in SC in the 2000 election that he fathered an illegitimate black baby, still has a record as being a maverick. He is very experienced and is willing to go against his own party's base and do his own thing, and people respect that. I also think there's a sympathy factor, as if McCain got screwed back in 2000 (sorta like Gore), and it's his turn finally.

Romney is smart and very polished, for sure, but he's so clearly the establishment's guy, and a lot of people think he'll succumb to their wishes.

Giuliani just scares people. A lot of his skeletons are coming out, and it's not a pretty sight. Seems like he could be the exact opposite of Romney and ignore his advisors and be completely bull-headed in how he runs the presidency.

Clinton is smart and strong-willed and a policy wonk, but she is the Democratic equivalent of W - the next partisan leader. A lot of Democrats loved Bill but don't want more fighting like what occurred when he was in the WH.

Edwards is smart but is up against two strong, well funded candidates. A lot of people knock him for being wealthy and handsome and a former trial lawyer despite having sound ideas. He's running out of steam.

Obama has not spent a lot of time in Washington and is not named Clinton. He doesn't have a ton of experience, but it's enough for people to believe in him. He's a great communicator and a very smart guy and a breath of fresh air.
 
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TennNC said:
Not judging any of this, but here's what seems to be happening:

I think there's a huge portion of this country that is sick of the Washington establishment on both sides, and people are looking for candidates on both sides who aren't beholden to it. Here's how they might view the candidates:

McCain, despite the fact that he's old and has been a senator for many years and didn't stand up to Bush after Rove and co. spread false rumors in SC in the 2000 election that he fathered an illegitimate black baby, still has a record as being a maverick. He is very experienced and is willing to go against his own party's base and do his own thing, and people respect that. I also think there's a sympathy factor, as if McCain got screwed back in 2000 (sorta like Gore), and it's his turn finally.

Romney is smart and very polished, for sure, but he's so clearly the establishment's guy, and a lot of people think he'll succumb to their wishes.

Giuliani just scares people. A lot of his skeletons are coming out, and it's not a pretty sight. Seems like he could be the exact opposite of Romney and ignore his advisors and be completely bull-headed in how he runs the presidency.

Clinton is smart and strong-willed and a policy wonk, but she is the Democratic equivalent of W - the next partisan leader. A lot of Democrats loved Bill but don't want more fighting like what occurred when he was in the WH.

Edwards is smart but is up against two strong, well funded candidates. A lot of people knock him for being wealthy and handsome and a former trial lawyer despite having sound ideas. He's running out of steam.

Obama has not spent a lot of time in Washington and is not named Clinton. He doesn't have a ton of experience, but it's enough for people to believe in him. He's a great communicator and a very smart guy and a breath of fresh air.
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Very well put, I agree. Obama could be the second worst President of all time if elected but I am willing to take that chance. He could also turn out to be one of the best. I don't remember a candidate with this good of a chance to win with less ties to big corporations. I'm tired of companies like Halliburton and Pfizer dictating the policies of this country. Both parties are just as guilty for this.
 
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jkell24 said:
Very well put, I agree. Obama could be the second worst President of all time if elected but I am willing to take that chance. He could also turn out to be one of the best. I don't remember a candidate with this good of a chance to win with less ties to big corporations. I'm tired of companies like Halliburton and Pfizer dictating the policies of this country. Both parties are just as guilty for this.
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With less ties to big corporations? Ever heard of Berkshire Hathaway? :whistling:
 
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I am astounded at the pathetic lineup of candidates on each side. By all sensible accounts, the Dems should annihilate the Repubs for the next 10 years, but the candidates they're putting forth and their party policies are more pathetic than ever.

The fact that this race is still being debated amazes me, but the Dems have the two least electable candidates in their history as frontrunners.
 
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myrobbins7 said:
With less ties to big corporations? Ever heard of Berkshire Hathaway? :whistling:
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I don't know what the :whistling: is for. Warren Buffett is a democrat from the midwest. He is the second richest man in the United States behind Bill Gates, another democrat. I suppose I should count Harpo productions as a major corporation in which is backing Obama or could it be Warren Buffett and Oprah Winfrey happen to like the guy. Most of these corporations play the "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" game but what is Buffett going to get out of this?
 
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jkell24 said:
I don't know what the :whistling: is for. Warren Buffett is a democrat from the midwest. He is the second richest man in the United States behind Bill Gates, another democrat. I suppose I should count Harpo productions as a major corporation in which is backing Obama or could it be Warren Buffett and Oprah Winfrey happen to like the guy. Most of these corporations play the "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" game but what is Buffett going to get out of this?
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So is Obama with big money now?
 
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allvol123 said:
So is Obama with big money now?
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Having rich friends and receiving kick backs are two different things. It's America, if Warren Buffett or Oprah Winfrey want to support a candidate or donate money they have the right to do so. Any of the candidates have that same right. I am talking about corporations that give money to a candidate for a favor in return.

"Clinton has received roughly $750,000 from PACs and more than $500,000 from lobbyists."

This is from an article titled: "Is Hillary Clinton a Corporate Stooge?"

Now, can you show the same thing for Barack Obama?

To answer your question, yes he is but to answer my question that had been misquoted no, he doesn't have near the loboyists or big corporate dollars that other candidates have.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I am astounded at the pathetic lineup of candidates on each side. By all sensible accounts, the Dems should annihilate the Repubs for the next 10 years, but the candidates they're putting forth and their party policies are more pathetic than ever.

The fact that this race is still being debated amazes me, but the Dems have the two least electable candidates in their history as frontrunners.
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Worse candidates than Bush and Kerry?

I guess the voter turnout will tell us whether you're right or not.

BPV, if you were in charge of submitting candidates to run for the Dem nomination (with the best chance of winning the gen. election of course), who would you choose instead?
 
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jkell24 said:
Having rich friends and receiving kick backs are two different things. It's America, if Warren Buffett or Oprah Winfrey want to support a candidate or donate money they have the right to do so. Any of the candidates have that same right. I am talking about corporations that give money to a candidate for a favor in return.

"Clinton has received roughly $750,000 from PACs and more than $500,000 from lobbyists."

This is from an article titled: "Is Hillary Clinton a Corporate Stooge?"

Now, can you show the same thing for Barack Obama?
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If you like him enough you can rationalize it any way you wish. I'd like to meet these people giving large sums of money and wanting nothing in return.

But to answer your question, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, Obama has raised plenty of money via PACs.
 
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jkell24 said:
I don't know what the :whistling: is for. Warren Buffett is a democrat from the midwest. He is the second richest man in the United States behind Bill Gates, another democrat. I suppose I should count Harpo productions as a major corporation in which is backing Obama or could it be Warren Buffett and Oprah Winfrey happen to like the guy. Most of these corporations play the "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" game but what is Buffett going to get out of this?
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Trust me, if Buffett invest in you, he wants something in return. The :whistling: was because you brought up King Hal. and corp. dealing with the R. party. I was just pointing out that Obama has his hands in the cookie jar also, thats all.
 
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allvol123 said:
If you like him enough you can rationalize it any way you wish. I'd like to meet these people giving large sums of mnoey and wanting nothing in return.
But to answer your question, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, Obama has raised plenty of money via PACs.
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You do realize there is a cap on how much they can give? What Warren Buffett or Oprah Winfrey can give to Barack Obama is pocket change to them. I never said that Barack Obama didn't take P.A.C. money, I said that he has taken less money than any other candidate that has a shot at winning. He is doing more than any of the other candidates of trying to get the tainted money out of elections. He is pushing for campaign finance reform to keep the special interest out of it.

Barack Obama on Government Reform
 
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myrobbins7 said:
Trust me, if Buffett invest in you, he wants something in return. The :whistling: was because you brought up King Hal. and corp. dealing with the R. party. I was just pointing out that Obama has his hands in the cookie jar also, thats all.
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A philanthropist who takes a $100K salary and just gave away 83% of his wealth to charity, and a multinational company with more than $13 billion in govt contracts related to the Iraq war are different cookie jars, that's all.
 
#72
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Obama simply hasn't been in national level politics long enough to have a long list of corporate backers.

Give it time - it will come.
 
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myrobbins7 said:
Trust me, if Buffett invest in you, he wants something in return. The :whistling: was because you brought up King Hal. and corp. dealing with the R. party. I was just pointing out that Obama has his hands in the cookie jar also, thats all.
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Halliburton did some really bad things that anyone associated with them should be ashamed of. They did not play by the rules but thanks to Dick Cheney there were no rules. Is it fair for a taxpayer to buy these jerks a new truck and trailer just because one got a flat tire? They would blow these things up in the desert rather than replacing a tire. Why are taxpayers paying for these people to drive high dollar SUV's in Iraq for several times more than they even cost over here? I don't see how you could make a comparison with anyone to Halliburton. There's a warm place reserved for those people when they die. I'm sure it was hard for them to get bids when they were the only company bidding. Wonder why? What could Obama do for the second richest man in America? Have you heard about where Buffett lives? The guy doesn't even care about possessions. The 2nd richest man in america still lives in the house he bought for $31,500 thirty years ago. I guess Oprah wants to be assured that her show is aired during primetime or something? No comparison to Halliburton.
 
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Hey all, I am heading back to the sports forum. I'd rather be on your side than arguing with you. I'd rather take on some bama troll than a fellow Vols fan. Politics are serious so they bring out the best in people but again I want to apoligize if I ticked anyone off in here today. Sometimes politics seem to be more of a sport than actual sports. Good Day. :peace2:
 
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Gents, I think you took that the wrong way. Im just saying it is just not the R. party it's both. Just for the record, I could give a rats a$$ about Halliburton one way or the other. Hey, if Obama is your man then that's fine with me, he is just not mine.
 
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