Are Our Troops Going To Vote Obama!

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296 out of 300 grads,and said himself,he knows little about the economy.296 is where he graduated @.Heck he's stupid,but, I honor his service to this great country.
 
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i cant catch up with all 6 pages of arguing but as to the original topic of the thread i found an interesting news article.

ABC News: Obama, Paul Lead in Military Donations

"Paul and Obama are talking straight to soldiers, and what they are saying is resonating," said Larnell Exum, a retired Army lieutenant colonel, who gave $500 to Obama. Exum, who works for the Army as a congressional liaison, is a Democrat but voted for George Bush in 1992.
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BigPapaVol said:
that's a cute little excerpt from one guy to make it sound like the military is getting behind them, while it's altogether untrue. Nevermind, it was exactly what one would expect from ABC.
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How do you know it's untrue? Did FoxNews say so? Why would ABC make a story like that up and if so, why would they include Ron Paul since they only speak highly of liberals as many of you claim ABC does?
 
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Well those of us in the military during Bill Clinton's years remember the huge drawbacks he had with the military so times weren't rosy for us under his administration. So I doubt a lot of military will vote for Hillary Clinton. If they vote democrat?
 
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jkell24 said:
How do you know it's untrue? Did FoxNews say so? Why would ABC make a story like that up and if so, why would they include Ron Paul since they only speak highly of liberals as many of you claim ABC does?
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because I've been there. you do have a segment of the military population who votes based upon historical family stuff, but most vote for those who fund the military the best. That has never been a democrat.

I don't care what Fox, ABC, CBS or frickin' Ghandi has to say on the subject. The military is not a liberal stomping ground.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
because I've been there. you do have a segment of the military population who votes based upon historical family stuff, but most vote for those who fund the military the best. That has never been a democrat.

I don't care what Fox, ABC, CBS or frickin' Ghandi has to say on the subject. The military is not a liberal stomping ground.
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I guess that makes the whole story untrue since you've been there. It's just like ABC to make up a story about who leads in military donations and I love how they added Ron Paul to throw off the liberal media argument. Before you change the subject keep in mind that the story was about donations not about where the military stands on being liberal or conservative. So I guess it doesn't matter what "frickin' Ghandi" has to say as long as you've been there.
 
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jkell24 said:
I guess that makes the whole story untrue since you've been there. It's just like ABC to make up a story about who leads in military donations and I love how they added Ron Paul to throw off the liberal media argument. Before you change the subject keep in mind that the story was about donations not about where the military stands on being liberal or conservative. So I guess it doesn't matter what "frickin' Ghandi" has to say as long as you've been there.
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If you had a little more sense, this would already be over.

You're implying that this was just some random story that one or two military members were donating money to Obama or Paul? Wonder why they didn't try to ever get at military donations to Republican candidates. Hmmmm, seems an odd question, but investigative reporters would surely ask it. Then, they had a "LTC" talk about soldiers getting behind these campaigns.

Maybe if you reasoned through it, you could understand Paul's inclusion as well. Think hard enough and you'll know why they didn't try to ascertain anything about donations to Republicans.

Everyone on earth knows for sure that there are some individuals in the military donating to almost every politician out there. Donations are not a story in the least. The lack of any perspective from the other side should have told you exactly the function of this little advertisement.

Ghandi was included to point out that even if the people mentioned weren't habitual half truth artists (assuming we could both agree that Ghandi wouldn't lie), I wouldn't buy the picture being painted by this article.

Bottom line: if you're devoid of reasoning capacity, then I assumed my having been there for several years might help. Guess I'm still gonna have to rely upon that.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
If you had a little more sense, this would already be over.

You're implying that this was just some random story that one or two military members were donating money to Obama or Paul? Wonder why they didn't try to ever get at military donations to Republican candidates. Hmmmm, seems an odd question, but investigative reporters would surely ask it. Then, they had a "LTC" talk about soldiers getting behind these campaigns.

Maybe if you reasoned through it, you could understand Paul's inclusion as well. Think hard enough and you'll know why they didn't try to ascertain anything about donations to Republicans.

Everyone on earth knows for sure that there are some individuals in the military donating to almost every politician out there. Donations are not a story in the least. The lack of any perspective from the other side should have told you exactly the function of this little advertisement.

Ghandi was included to point out that even if the people mentioned weren't habitual half truth artists (assuming we could both agree that Ghandi wouldn't lie), I wouldn't buy the picture being painted by this article.

Bottom line: if you're devoid of reasoning capacity, then I assumed my having been there for several years might help. Guess I'm still gonna have to rely upon that.
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:eek:lol: Speaking of having sense, did you read anything I wrote?

Where, answer me, where did I write or imply that this was about one or two members of the military or even thought along those lines? The idea that you can get a grasp on this story by being there would be closer to you feeling that way. Last I checked Paul was still a republican so I guess they did "ascertain" something about Republican donations. Yes, I understand why you added Ghandi to the conversation, the same reason I quoted him back to you. I think the reason you wouldn't buy this picture is because it doesn't agree with your beliefs which ironic enough makes the last part about being devoid of reasoning capacity a description of yourself.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Maybe if you reasoned through it, you could understand Paul's inclusion as well. Think hard enough and you'll know why they didn't try to ascertain anything about donations to Republicans.

Everyone on earth knows for sure that there are some individuals in the military donating to almost every politician out there. Donations are not a story in the least. The lack of any perspective from the other side should have told you exactly the function of this little advertisement.
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the article also said McCain received the third most donations.

BigPapaVol said:
that's a cute little excerpt from one guy to make it sound like the military is getting behind them, while it's altogether untrue. Nevermind, it was exactly what one would expect from ABC.
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this article makes the claim based on donation evidence. most likely you dont give money to a candidate you dont support. it isnt suggesting anything more then the donations suggest on their own, and despite my deepest respect for your all-knowing wisdom; your assurances dont qualify as evidence of anything.

from everything ive read, more and more members of the military are against the iraq war. hence support of Paul and Obama.
 
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falseintellect said:
the article also said McCain received the third most donations.



this article makes the claim based on donation evidence. most likely you dont give money to a candidate you dont support. it isnt suggesting anything more then the donations suggest on their own, and despite my deepest respect for your all-knowing wisdom; your assurances dont qualify as evidence of anything.

from everything ive read, more and more members of the military are against the iraq war. hence support of Paul and Obama.
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the article went out if its way to imply a military groundswell of support for Obama and Paul, which is unfathomable. Then debunked it with stats showing a 60/40 cut for Republicans, despite this garbage to the contrary. It went out of its way to avoid anything about support for McCain beyond a blurb. Its source of information is nothing more than the smallest sample they could find in supporting their crap. The sum total of donations listed was about 100 people. You two rocket scientists are trying to turn that into something newsworthy. The article was garbage and presented as news from a horrendously liberal organization.

I don't know a lot, but I know quite a bit about how the military in general views guys like Obama. I can tell you that the support for Obama does not outstrip that for McCain, regardless of what ABC might try to make stats from "non partisan" sources say.

Can you imagine knocking out some final thesis work and providing this statistical waste as evidence. Furthering the idiocy would be providing no demographic data whatsoever for support. It actually couldn't be weaker support for the conclusion implied in the headline, yet you two want to make me out to be the clown.

Impressive work. If either of you can do a regression analysis, knock out one here and provide me some correlation stats that make this anything but false advertising.
 
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falseintellect said:
the article also said McCain received the third most donations.



this article makes the claim based on very limited and to the point of inapplicable donation evidence. most likely you dont give money to a candidate you dont support. it isnt suggesting anything more then the donations suggest on their own, except for the implication that the majority of donations are going to Obama and Paul, and despite my lack of any ability to question the garbage presented in the article; your assurances dont qualify as evidence of anything either. As an aside, your evidence is weak from being there and I know little enough statistics to even understand the lack of data or support given.

from everything ive read, more and more members of the military are against the iraq war. hence support of Paul and Obama. Mind you, I continue to read ADVERTISEMENTS of this nature disquised as news.
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some editorial adjustments.
 
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jkell24 said:
:eek:lol: Speaking of having sense, did you read anything I wrote?

Where, answer me, where did I write or imply that this was about one or two members of the military or even thought along those lines? The idea that you can get a grasp on this story by being there would be closer to you feeling that way. Last I checked Paul was still a republican so I guess they did "ascertain" something about Republican donations. Yes, I understand why you added Ghandi to the conversation, the same reason I quoted him back to you. I think the reason you wouldn't buy this picture is because it doesn't agree with your beliefs which ironic enough makes the last part about being devoid of reasoning capacity a description of yourself.
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The reason I don't buy the picture is because the information presented is altogether unsupported by flimsy evidence from a "non-partisan" outfit. Any fourth grad math graduate can rip this entire article to shreds.
 
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The fact that you're trying to put down any one that doesn't believe that ABC or most of the media isn't slanted to the left is laughable. After so many years of biased garbage, we conservatives have a right to take anything ABC says with a grain of salt. That's why it kills you libs that talk radio is so popular.
 
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volsforever27 said:
The fact that you're trying to put down any one that doesn't believe that ABC or most of the media isn't slanted to the left is laughable. After so many years of biased garbage, we conservatives have a right to take anything ABC says with a grain of salt. That's why it kills you libs that talk radio is so popular.
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What's laughable is how some of you take what we write and translate it into what you want it to say. This article is about donations given by members of the military and to the campaign they're given too. It can't be an opinion it's based on numbers so either Obama and Paul got the most donations or they didn't. This article says they did so show me another one that says they didn't. Just by having "been there" or ABC being "slanted to the left" doesn't disprove anything. Besides, I did not TRY to put down anyone for thinking ABC has a liberal biased, that's your opinion, if you read my post you would see that I posed the question of why would they. I guess it all goes back to how you translate post to say what you want them to not for what they are.
 
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jkell24 said:
What's laughable is how some of you take what we write and translate it into what you want it to say. This article is about donations given by members of the military and to the campaign they're given too. It can't be an opinion it's based on numbers so either Obama and Paul got the most donations or they didn't. This article says they did so show me another one that says they didn't. Just by having "been there" or ABC being "slanted to the left" doesn't disprove anything. Besides, I did not TRY to put down anyone for thinking ABC has a liberal biased, that's your opinion, if you read my post you would see that I posed the question of why would they. I guess it all goes back to how you translate post to say what you want them to not for what they are.
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All this coming from a liberal is astounding... talk about twisting stories to how you want to percieve them. As far as them merely stating numbers. I have to agree with BPV again on his earlier posts.
 
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jkell24 said:
What's laughable is how some of you take what we write and translate it into what you want it to say. This article is about donations given by members of the military and to the campaign they're given too. It can't be an opinion it's based on numbers so either Obama and Paul got the most donations or they didn't. This article says they did so show me another one that says they didn't. Just by having "been there" or ABC being "slanted to the left" doesn't disprove anything. Besides, I did not TRY to put down anyone for thinking ABC has a liberal biased, that's your opinion, if you read my post you would see that I posed the question of why would they. I guess it all goes back to how you translate post to say what you want them to not for what they are.
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In other words, you hate the military?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
The reason I don't buy the picture is because the information presented is altogether unsupported by flimsy evidence from a "non-partisan" outfit. Any fourth grad math graduate can rip this entire article to shreds.
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What flimsy evidence? That's the question I have been trying to ask all day. Why would they make it up? If so, why hasn't anyone uncovered it other than you on a UT political board. Where do you get your news source? If the main channels are so tainted with liberal biased and Fox is tainted with conservative baised than where do you get the truth? I would like to find that website, radio station or TV station that speaks the truth. Where is the simple math that a fourth grade math graduate can rip this article with?
 
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jkell24 said:
What flimsy evidence? That's the question I have been trying to ask all day. Why would they make it up? If so, why hasn't anyone uncovered it other than you on a UT political board. Where do you get your news source? If the main channels are so tainted with liberal biased and Fox is tainted with conservative baised than where do you get the truth? I would like to find that website, radio station or TV station that speaks the truth. Where is the simple math that a fourth grade math graduate can rip this article with?
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That is impossible, every news group appeals to a certain audience with certain types of stories.

Simply put, it is all about the money.
 
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jkell24 said:
What flimsy evidence? That's the question I have been trying to ask all day. Why would they make it up? If so, why hasn't anyone uncovered it other than you on a UT political board. Where do you get your news source? If the main channels are so tainted with liberal biased and Fox is tainted with conservative baised than where do you get the truth? I would like to find that website, radio station or TV station that speaks the truth. Where is the simple math that a fourth grade math graduate can rip this article with?
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what flimsy evidence? did you look at the raw numbers? If you're struggling with the statistical insignificance of the sample size and the lack of any supporting data for such a weak sample, then we are wasting our time discussing the evidence. I would suggest that the data collected there is comparable to using Berkeley as a barometer for US opinion.

As for how I come to my conclusions, I make them myself based upon what I hear, read, see etc. I certainly don't take for gospel the garbage that the mainstream press puts forth.
 
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volsforever27 said:
All this coming from a liberal is astounding... talk about twisting stories to how you want to percieve them. As far as them merely stating numbers. I have to agree with BPV again on his earlier posts.
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So the best you can do is say that it is due to me being a liberal? I didn't say one side twist stories more than the other, they both do the same things. I agree, liberals twist plenty of stories, can you agree that conservatives do the same thing and play the same games? Show me the other side to this story, where is this article wrong? It talks about Obama and Paul getting the most donations, debunk it. Can you do that or will you continue to say liberal over and over as a response?
 
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