Are there any conservatives that...

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Every day I see one of the FredHeads walking away with their head hanging low. Too many jumped on the bandwagon before waiting to see what this guy was really like. The GOP side is just flat out messed up. Rudy and Mitt will fight to the end and others will try to hang on...but to no avail.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Every day I see one of the FredHeads walking away with their head hanging low. Too many jumped on the bandwagon before waiting to see what this guy was really like. The GOP side is just flat out messed up. Rudy and Mitt will fight to the end and others will try to hang on...but to no avail.
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CSpindizzy, I think your right. It will be Rudy and Mitt to the end. Not that im for Rudy or Mitt but just saying thats the way I see things playing out.
 
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Hey I will be the first to tell you, I was a fredhead. But since he got in, he is just what everyone said he is. He seems like he doesn't have a fire in his belly to get the job much less do anything as the prez if he ever did. He speaks out in support of the current admin. way to much. And does not have any original ideas. Now I have been watching and listening, and as a voter who has stuck to republicans during the past 3 elections, Obama sounds pretty sharp. And if a dem is going to win I would rather have him than Hillary.
 
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And I just caught a peice last night, so I am not sending my support his way yet. But he was talking about lobbyist and PACs in DC and how they are way out of control, so in his campaign he is not accepting any money from either of them. Which I found kind of impressive. He was also speaking on healthcare and said that there needs to be a way for the people who need healthcare to get it, but he didn't think national heathcare was the way. Plus he is taking alot of cheapshots at Hilary so I like that too. But I am not fully on board yet.
 
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Sjernigan88 said:
He was also speaking on healthcare and said that there needs to be a way for the people who need healthcare to get it, but he didn't think national heathcare was the way.
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I am forever wondering who these people in America are that need healthcare but can't seem to find it. I guess there was that lady who died in the hospital waiting room, who else?
 
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I am just saying that there are situations where I feel that the factory worker making minimum wage with 2 kids and a wife with no real skills, in a situation where it doesn't make any sense to pay for daycare because if the wife went to work she would barely pay for daycare and the husbands job isn't enough to cover all of it. yes I would say those people need the help.I think being blessed as a nation we sometimes forget that there are still people in poverty and need the help, not the ones who abuse it or avoid work to get the govt benifits, there are some that need the help
 
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allvol123 said:
I am forever wondering who these people in America are that need healthcare but can't seem to find it. I guess there was that lady who died in the hospital waiting room, who else?
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I don't think it's a matter of finding it. It's paying for it.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
I don't think it's a matter of finding it. It's paying for it.
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Yes that is an issue. But I don't believe anyone would be turned down at a hospital. They might accrue some heavy bills, but I will take those over not having care at all, any day.
 
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Sjernigan88 said:
I am just saying that there are situations where I feel that the factory worker making minimum wage with 2 kids and a wife with no real skills, in a situation where it doesn't make any sense to pay for daycare because if the wife went to work she would barely pay for daycare and the husbands job isn't enough to cover all of it. yes I would say those people need the help.I think being blessed as a nation we sometimes forget that there are still people in poverty and need the help, not the ones who abuse it or avoid work to get the govt benifits, there are some that need the help
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Again, these people can't get medical treatment?
 
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I am in NO way supporting "national healthcare", but there has to be something better than what we have. The doctors are screwing the insurance companies, the drug companies are screwing the insurance companies, insurance and drug companies are lobbying to congress and the american public are getting raped, along the small businessman who wants to provide benfits but can't because of the abuse has screw the rest of us the hard working american family. That is one point that needs fixed...I know that was off topic but it started as a point in my head then went to rant, sorry
 
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allvol123 said:
Yes that is an issue. But I don't believe anyone would be turned down at a hospital. They might accrue some heavy bills, but I will take those over not having care at all, any day.
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There was a case recently of a woman dying outside an ER in California because the staff refused to go out and bring her in. They were afraid of being sued or something like that. Can't rememeber the details.




Then there's this from California:
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"Mom and Dad" as well as "husband and wife" have been banned from California schools under a bill signed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who with his signature also ordered public schools to allow boys to use girls restrooms and locker rooms, and vice versa, if they choose.

"We are shocked and appalled that the governor has blatantly attacked traditional family values in California," said Karen England, executive director of Capitol Resource Institute.

"With this decision, Gov. Schwarzenegger has told parents that their values are irrelevant. Many parents will have no choice but to pull their children out of the public schools that have now become sexualized indoctrination centers."

"Arnold Schwarzenegger has delivered young children into the hands of those who will introduce them to alternative sexual lifestyles," said Randy Thomasson, president of Campaign for Children and Families, which worked to defeat the plans. "This means children as young as five years old will be mentally molested in school classrooms.

"Shame on Schwarzenegger and the Democrat politicians for ensuring that every California school becomes a homosexual-bisexual-transsexual indoctrination center," he said.

Analysts have warned that schools across the nation will be impacted by the decision, since textbook publishers must cater to their largest purchaser, which often is California, and they will be unlikely to go to the expense of having a separate edition for other states.

The bills signed by Schwarzenegger include SB777, which bans anything in public schools that could be interpreted as negative toward homosexuality, bisexuality and other alternative lifestyle choices.

There are no similar protections for students with traditional or conservative lifestyles and beliefs, however.

"SB 777 will result in reverse discrimination against students with religious and traditional family values," said Meredith Turney, legislative liaison for Capitol Resource Institute. "These students have lost their voice as the direct result of Gov. Schwarzenegger's unbelievable decision. The terms 'mom and dad' or 'husband and wife' could promote discrimination against homosexuals if a same-sex couple is not also featured.

"Parents want the assurance that when their children go to school they will learn the fundamentals of reading, writing and arithmetic – not social indoctrination regarding alternative sexual lifestyles. Now that SB777 is law, schools will in fact become indoctrination centers for sexual experimentation," she said.

Also signed was AB394, which targets parents and teachers for such indoctrination through "anti-harassment" training, CCF said.

Schwarzenegger had vetoed almost identical provisions a year ago, saying existing state law already provided for penalties for discrimination.

"We had hoped that the governor would once again veto this outrageous legislation but he obviously decided to side with the out-of-touch extremists that control the legislature. This law does not reflect the true values of the average Californian," said England. "True leadership means standing up for what is true and right."

Thomasson said SB777 prohibits any "instruction" or school-sponsored "activity" that "promotes a discriminatory bias" against "gender" – the bill's definition includes cross-dressing and sex changes – as well as "sexual orientation."

"Because no textbook or instruction in California public schools currently disparages transsexuality, bisexuality, or homosexuality, the practical effect of SB777 will be to require positive portrayals of these sexual lifestyles at every government-operated school," CCF noted.

Offenders will face the wrath of the state Department of Education, up to and including lawsuits.

CCF noted that now on a banned list will be any text, reference or teaching aid that portrays marriage as only between a man and woman, materials that say people are born male or female (and not in between), sources that fail to include a variety of transsexual, bisexual and homosexual historical figures, and sex education materials that fail to offer the option of sex changes.

Further, homecoming kings now can be either male or female – as can homecoming queens, and students, whether male or female, must be allowed to use the restroom and locker room corresponding to the sex with which they choose to identify.

AB394 promotes the same issues through state-funded publications, postings, curricula and handouts to students, parents and teachers.

It also creates the circumstances where a parent who says marriage is only for a man and a woman in the presence of a lesbian teacher could be convicted of "harassment," and a student who believes people are born either male or female could be reported as a "harasser" by a male teacher who wears women's clothes, CCF said.

Thomasson said Schwarzenegger also signed AB14, which prohibits state funding for any program that does not support a range of alternative sexual practices, including state-funded social services run by churches.

Affected will be day cares, preschool or after-school programs, food and housing programs, senior services, anti-gang efforts, jobs programs and others.

Thomasson said it also forces every hospital in California – even private, religious hospitals – to adopt policies in support of transsexuality, bisexuality, and homosexuality and opens up nonprofit organizations to lawsuits if they exclude members that engage in homosexual, bisexual, or transsexual conduct.

"It's the height of intolerance to punish individuals, organizations, businesses, and churches that have moral standards on sexual conduct and sexual lifestyles," said Thomasson, in response to the signing of AB14. "This is another insensitive law that violates people's moral boundaries."

The vitriol over the issue rose to new levels in its latest campaign.

As WND reported, a board member for the homosexual advocacy group Equality California verbally attacked and threatened CRI for its opposition to the bill earlier.

The board member sent an e-mail and video to CRI threatening the group would be buried if it continued efforts opposing the homosexual advocacy.

"The shocking hate mail we received shows that those behind this legislation do not promote true tolerance," said England. "Only politically correct speech will be tolerated. Those with religious or traditional moral beliefs will not be allowed to express their opinions in public schools."

She also cited an informational document published by the Gay-Straight Alliance Network and the Transgender Law Center that already is lobbying for special treatment in the school system.

"If you want to use a restroom that matches your gender identity … you should be allowed to do so," it advises. "Whenever students are divided up into boys and girls, you should be allowed to join the group or participate in the program that matches your gender identity as much as possible."

Further, the groups advise, "If you change your name to one that better matches your gender identity, a school needs to use that name to refer to you." The advocacy group also warns schools against bringing parents into any such discussion with students.

WND has documented a number of earlier cases in which educators, including leaders in California, have taken it upon themselves to promote a homosexual lifestyle to children under their charge.

WND reported California Superintendent of Public Instruction Jack O'Connell, under whose supervision hundreds of thousands of children are being educated, has used his state position and taxpayer-funded stationery to praise a "gay" pride event used in the past to expose children to sexually explicit activities.

That drew vehement objections from several educators, including Priscilla Schreiber, the president of the Grossmont Unified High School District governing board.

"I am outraged that a person in this high-ranking elected position would advocate an event where diversity is not just being celebrated but where pornography and indecent exposure is being perpetrated on the young and innocent children of our communities," she said.
 
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Sjernigan88 said:
I am in NO way supporting "national healthcare", but there has to be something better than what we have. The doctors are screwing the insurance companies, the drug companies are screwing the insurance companies, insurance and drug companies are lobbying to congress and the american public are getting raped, along the small businessman who wants to provide benfits but can't because of the abuse has screw the rest of us the hard working american family. That is one point that needs fixed...I know that was off topic but it started as a point in my head then went to rant, sorry
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Perhaps the government doing less would get people to educate themselves better. The vast majority of people need to buy private healthcare before they or a family member gets sick, instead of depending on company provided healthcare. A few hundred dollars a month would insure most families I would think.
 
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allvol123 said:
Perhaps the government doing less would get people to educate themselves better. The vast majority of people need to buy private healthcare before they or a family member gets sick, instead of depending on company provided healthcare. A few hundred dollars a month would insure most families I would think.
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Before i was married, we paid out of pocket for my old ladys medical. $190 a month, for a young, fertile, lady. If the uninsured class gave up Cable TV, and Cell Phones, they could probably cover that, especially if they get Housing Assistance.
 
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The hell you say? Give up their God given rights to TV, cell, PS3, etc...have you gone mad my dear VN brother?
 
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Odd. Every single person who cannot afford healthcare somehow has PS3's, flat screen television, cable, cell phones, etc. You guys hanging out in government housing again? Or just like stereotyping?
 
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allvol123 said:
The hell you say? Give up their God given rights to TV, cell, PS3, etc...have you gone mad my dear VN brother?
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But yes. Believe it or not, things like Television, Cell Phones, and, believe it or not, Playstation, and for that matter, fast food, are not nessecities. Not profiling, but theres alot more 200lb 12 year olds in section 8 neighborhoods than i see where i live. Must be the violence caused by felons illegally carrying firearms in those neighborhoods, mammas want to fatten the kids up so the random bullets won't be fatal
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Odd. Every single person who cannot afford healthcare somehow has PS3's, flat screen television, cable, cell phones, etc. You guys hanging out in government housing again? Or just like stereotyping?
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You saying only people in government housing would do this type of behavior? Or you just like stereotyping?
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Odd. Every single person who cannot afford healthcare somehow has PS3's, flat screen television, cable, cell phones, etc. You guys hanging out in government housing again? Or just like stereotyping?
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If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck. When I do plant maintainance work for the cable TV companies, i spend alot of time in low income neighborhoods, with lots of section 8 housing. The taxpayer foots the bedrooms and roof bill for alot of people who have CATV.
 
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