Are UNC and UVA the perfect schools for expansion?

[Bluetic]

The SEC already has the most valuable assets in those TV markets.

How do we have the beltway (VT)?

 

[bamawriter]

How do we have the beltway (VT)?

I highlighted what I was responding to:

it could still fold the ACC by bringing in more of the south Fla and Carolina TV markets

Those are not new markets to the SEC, thus Clemson and Miami would be pointless wastes of money. Particularly Miami, since they have absolutely no fan support.

 

[Oskie Volum]

Great read to all those that really contributed good solid info. Wouldn't have taken so long if people read thread before commenting. Would avoid the repeat info..but it's the VN way that's for sure.

Anywho...doesn't ND start their 5 game a year deal with rotating ACC teams soon?? If anyone knows how that plays in all this, and it's benefits the ACC would be appreciated. I'm sure they controlled their rights with NBC, but what does the ACC get and does the teams they play in a year get some kind of payout, etc??

Thanks and keep up the good work yall. Sorry if it was mentioned and I didn't catch it or forgot cause it takes me a few days to finish threads of interest.
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[bamawriter]

Anywho...doesn't ND start their 5 game a year deal with rotating ACC teams soon?? If anyone knows how that plays in all this, and it's benefits the ACC would be appreciated. I'm sure they controlled their rights with NBC, but what does the ACC get and does the teams they play in a year get some kind of payout, etc??

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Notre Dame is a member of the ACC in the Olympic sports already, and they play their first football season under the scheduling agreement starting this Fall.

The TV rights are based on the home site. Notre Dame home games are broadcast on NBC, games at ACC sites are broadcast by the ACC's TV partners (usually ESPN or ABC). The ACC does not get any share of Notre Dame's deal with NBC. But that's somewhat offset by being able to guarantee a solid number of games that fall under the conference's contract, which Notre Dame doesn't get a cut of (at least in football).

 

[Bluetic]

I highlighted what I was responding to:



Those are not new markets to the SEC, thus Clemson and Miami would be pointless wastes of money. Particularly Miami, since they have absolutely no fan support.

Good points...guess VT doesnt exactly have good fanbase either compared to most SEC teams.

 

[TrueOrange]

A powerhouse in basketball.

And there'd be 17 teams total then....

 

[bamawriter]

Good points...guess VT doesnt exactly have good fanbase either compared to most SEC teams.

VT does okay. And they travel pretty well. They'd be in the bottom half based on the size of their fanbase, but they would pull in some very solid TV markets.

 

[Oskie Volum]

Notre Dame is a member of the ACC in the Olympic sports already, and they play their first football season under the scheduling agreement starting this Fall.

The TV rights are based on the home site. Notre Dame home games are broadcast on NBC, games at ACC sites are broadcast by the ACC's TV partners (usually ESPN or ABC). The ACC does not get any share of Notre Dame's deal with NBC. But that's somewhat offset by being able to guarantee a solid number of games that fall under the conference's contract, which Notre Dame doesn't get a cut of (at least in football).

Cool. Thx. I knew the other sports situation, but was wondering on the 5 game football part. So figured the ACC wouldn't get anything for the ND Home games on NBC, but was wondering if ND got a cut of the away game. Huh..the ACC will definitely benefit on the yrs they get 3 of those games at ACC sites. 2 games too, but 1 extra is always nice. This may just offset losing Rutgers in the NYC market or soften the blow. Thx again for the info.
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[bamawriter]

Cool. Thx. I knew the other sports situation, but was wondering on the 5 game football part. So figured the ACC wouldn't get anything for the ND Home games on NBC, but was wondering if ND got a cut of the away game. Huh..the ACC will definitely benefit on the yrs they get 3 of those games at ACC sites. 2 games too, but 1 extra is always nice. This may just offset losing Rutgers in the NYC market or soften the blow. Thx again for the info.
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The ACC lost Maryland. The AAC lost Rutgers. Easy to get them confused.

 

[TrueOrange]

And even then Rutgers never really had the NYC market.

 

[Oskie Volum]

The ACC lost Maryland. The AAC lost Rutgers. Easy to get them confused.

Ahhh nice catch. Thanks. So maybe the ND deal still isn't really making the ACC lose sleep ovr losing MD in either the DC or NYC markets. Can't really get much of a better replacement to cover that loss imo. Though I'm sure when the ND deal was set up losing MD wasn't a factor or was it...??
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[bamawriter]

Ahhh nice catch. Thanks. So maybe the ND deal still isn't really making the ACC lose sleep ovr losing MD in either the DC or NYC markets. Can't really get much of a better replacement to cover that loss imo. Though I'm sure when the ND deal was set up losing MD wasn't a factor or was it...??
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Losing Maryland simply necessitated adding Louisville. The Notre Dame decision was a no-brainer for the ACC no matter what Maryland decided to do.

The ACC actually made out better than the Big 10. As TrueOrange said, Rutgers never really carried the NYC market. The biggest program in NYC is Notre Dame, and the ACC now has them in basketball and almost half of the football season.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

ACC would give their legs to keep Duke and UNC. How about Clemson, which already has a rivalry with SC and UGA. I know Fla would nix it, but how about Miami to go with them. Both programs could become powerhouses in the SEC. While it wouldnt be Duke and NC, it could still fold the ACC by bringing in more of the south Fla and Carolina TV markets. I think the St. Louis market played a huge role in the sec going after Mizzou. Looking at it that way, VT would work as well due to the Va/ DC/ Beltway market.

My question out of all of that... Why would you want another couple of powerhouses in our conference? How would that benefit us in any way?

 

[Oskie Volum]

Losing Maryland simply necessitated adding Louisville. The Notre Dame decision was a no-brainer for the ACC no matter what Maryland decided to do.

The ACC actually made out better than the Big 10. As TrueOrange said, Rutgers never really carried the NYC market. The biggest program in NYC is Notre Dame, and the ACC now has them in basketball and almost half of the football season.

Yup pretty much all I was thinking too. Just like to bounce thoughts off others that know more specifics than I do/may before I finalize my opinion. Thanks for the responses and the info/opinions u bring. Especially in the respectful way u do it. That's enough of the nice...no more of that bammer. ha!!
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[TrueOrange]

I know there were factors in play that are beyond my understanding, but Texas A&M and Missouri as SEC schools never made sense to me. Never will. I don't look at the SEC as "distinctly southern" anymore. Now, it's just a subsidiary of ESPN Worldwide.

If the better options (FSU, GaTech, UNC, NCST, Clemson, UVA, VaTech to name a few) were not available, or not interested, then why expand?

Outdated I may be, but I will always look at TXAM and Mizzou as two permanent guests in the SEC.

Go Vols.

They weren't options. They either weren't interested (the main NC schools we talked to were apparently UNC and Duke; VT verbally expressed a lack of interest publicly) or the conference wasn't interested in them (GT, Clemson, FSU).

Believe me, this was not something the SEC viewed as a worst-case scenario when they were looking at expansion. They got schools with sizable (/reputable) state schools with sizable population markets, and were not left searching for someone at the last minute just to fill a slot as 14. They were proactive in this approach (rather than waiting till they had to do it) and it ended up pretty positively for them.

And besides, if you decide you're only going to ask the most popular girl to the dance, you risk not having a date at all.

 

[Jackcrevol]

please god no more expansions.