Are UNC and UVA the perfect schools for expansion?

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bamawriter said:
You are spot on. The per subscriber rate is exactly what this is about.

But I don't think Rutgers gets them the NYC market. To justify an increase from $0.05 to $0.50 woud at least logically suggest that the presence of Rutgers in the Big 10 would increase the likelihood of the typical NYC subscriber watching the BTN 10 fold. That's completely absurd.

I'm sure that the Big 10 isn't arguing a direct correlation between viewership and rate, but I still think that anywhere close to that rate hike is absurd. The only school that I think could justify anything close is Notre Dame.

If a company like Time Warner agrees to anything more than a 4 or 5 cent per subscriber hike, they are getting fleeced.
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I agree with you on that point, but those are the projections Fox, who negotiates for BTN, made to the conference. Doubt they get $1, might get the $0.50.
 
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#102
NC State before UNC.
VA Tech before UVA

UNC and UVA are not the land grant schools in the state. Their missions (so to speak) are not like other states. Classical education. NC State and VA Tech are closer to the SEC Standards in composition, history and such.

UVA and UNC also offer quite a few "useless" sports that SEC does not currently compete in. IT makes them feel superior when they really aren't.

The schools are increasingly populated with northern students.

UNC also actually runs the ACC. Why would they become just 1 of 16 in the SEC?

NC State would be ideal situation but the share the same "management" with UNC with most members of the governing body being UNC alums that would never vote to let them leave.

NC State would thrive in the SEC like Texas A&M is doing so far.

I think Virginia is destined for the Big10 with Maryland. UNC will go down with the ACC ship and will take State with them.
 
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fryeguy93 said:
NC State before UNC.
VA Tech before UVA

UNC and UVA are not the land grant schools in the state. Their missions (so to speak) are not like other states. Classical education. NC State and VA Tech are closer to the SEC Standards in composition, history and such.

UVA and UNC also offer quite a few "useless" sports that SEC does not currently compete in. IT makes them feel superior when they really aren't.

The schools are increasingly populated with northern students.

UNC also actually runs the ACC. Why would they become just 1 of 16 in the SEC?

NC State would be ideal situation but the share the same "management" with UNC with most members of the governing body being UNC alums that would never vote to let them leave.

NC State would thrive in the SEC like Texas A&M is doing so far.

I think Virginia is destined for the Big10 with Maryland. UNC will go down with the ACC ship and will take State with them.
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Again though, it's that 8 of the 13 members of NC State's board of trustees (the people who would have to vote on such a move) are people elected directly by UNC's own board of governors. If they're like most other schools, the school would need a between a 2/3 and 3/4 vote to make such a move...I doubt you'd see UNC agree on something that would put their own conference standing in jeopardy, unless they themselves were already out the door and heading to another conference. (after the current grant of rights expired, of course)


A lot of people like to compare their relationship with UNC to that of Texas and Texas A&M, but it's not the same thing; these two are constituent institutions.


Also it's all 4 of the North Carolina schools that pretty much currently run the ACC, not just UNC. UNC, as well, find a new home were the conference ever to break apart/separate.
 
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bamawriter said:
You are spot on. The per subscriber rate is exactly what this is about.

But I don't think Rutgers gets them the NYC market. To justify an increase from $0.05 to $0.50 woud at least logically suggest that the presence of Rutgers in the Big 10 would increase the likelihood of the typical NYC subscriber watching the BTN 10 fold. That's completely absurd.

I'm sure that the Big 10 isn't arguing a direct correlation between viewership and rate, but I still think that anywhere close to that rate hike is absurd. The only school that I think could justify anything close is Notre Dame.

If a company like Time Warner agrees to anything more than a 4 or 5 cent per subscriber hike, they are getting fleeced.
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Notre Dame also being the only potential school addition that ESPN told the Big 12 would, financially, be a significant and worthwhile addition.


By the way, isn't it fun how active ESPN has been in telling every conference who they should take or add from each of the others (all of which ESPN also talks to about these matters)
 
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TrueOrange said:
Notre Dame also being the only potential school addition that ESPN told the Big 12 would, financially, be a significant and worthwhile addition.


By the way, isn't it fun how active ESPN has been in telling every conference who they should take or add from each of the others (all of which ESPN also talks to about these matters)
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It benefits ESPN greatly if one of their conference partners gets swallowed up by the others.
 
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VolFaninV said:
Ill tell you what dip****. I am family friends w 2 members of the board of visitors and I will be on the floor with them this Saturday for the Syracuse game. Ill ask them the question and when they laugh their asses off at the idea I will get a recording of it an email it to you.
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Where is the recording?
 
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If anyone brings this topic up again they should be required to preface that it is all purely hypocritical. Every ACC school (and any school in any other major conference except the SEC) has signed a grant of rights for their media rights with their conference.

So as I understand it, if UNC leaves the ACC in the next decade, they have to pay the ACC $50,000,000 just for leaving, and additionally the ACC retains rights to broadcast and media revenue (so probably $15mil EVERY year). Unless the SEC is going to add MTSU or central florida, expansion is over for the next decade.
 
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I know there were factors in play that are beyond my understanding, but Texas A&M and Missouri as SEC schools never made sense to me. Never will. I don't look at the SEC as "distinctly southern" anymore. Now, it's just a subsidiary of ESPN Worldwide.

If the better options (FSU, GaTech, UNC, NCST, Clemson, UVA, VaTech to name a few) were not available, or not interested, then why expand?

Outdated I may be, but I will always look at TXAM and Mizzou as two permanent guests in the SEC.

Go Vols.
 
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rocky top buzz said:
If anyone brings this topic up again they should be required to preface that it is all purely hypocritical. Every ACC school (and any school in any other major conference except the SEC) has signed a grant of rights for their media rights with their conference.

So as I understand it, if UNC leaves the ACC in the next decade, they have to pay the ACC $50,000,000 just for leaving, and additionally the ACC retains rights to broadcast and media revenue (so probably $15mil EVERY year). Unless the SEC is going to add MTSU or central florida, expansion is over for the next decade.
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Right now it looks like everything is settling in terms or conference expansion but several factors will likely change this drastically. If players are going to start getting some sort of pay, it may force the 16 team 5 conference split sooner than later. Eliminate the smaller schools so the bigger ones(who actually make the money) have more money to pay their players.

It's also likely that when the new playoff produces enormous profits, they will be expanded ASAP. That will drive the 16 team conference to happen sooner. I do agree that if the 5 conference split happens, the ACC teams would likely stay put.
 
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The Money alone would make almost any school out there want in the SEC..


I like UNC and UV as choices, would do a bunch for basketball and baseball also...
 
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#118
Kick out A & M, Missouri, South Carolina, and Arkansas, and go back to the way it used to be. Just not as far back as when Ga. Tech was in the SEC..
 
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The reasons that more expansion isn't coming soon have been pretty well documented here.

But, Hypothetically...

UNC isn't going anywhere without Duke. Expansion is about money. That means football is going to be the deciding factor in almost every case. However, if the SEC were somehow able to pull both Duke and UNC it could be a game changer. They have arguably the biggest rivalry in sports. The move of those two schools would represent a huge shift in power. The SEC would become the focal point of any and all collegiate coverage for football and basketball. The ACC would likely unravel. It won't happen, but I can't think of another move that would so fundamentally change the landscape of college sports.
 
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ACC would give their legs to keep Duke and UNC. How about Clemson, which already has a rivalry with SC and UGA. I know Fla would nix it, but how about Miami to go with them. Both programs could become powerhouses in the SEC. While it wouldnt be Duke and NC, it could still fold the ACC by bringing in more of the south Fla and Carolina TV markets. I think the St. Louis market played a huge role in the sec going after Mizzou. Looking at it that way, VT would work as well due to the Va/ DC/ Beltway market.
 
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Bluetic said:
ACC would give their legs to keep Duke and UNC. How about Clemson, which already has a rivalry with SC and UGA. I know Fla would nix it, but how about Miami to go with them. Both programs could become powerhouses in the SEC. While it wouldnt be Duke and NC, it could still fold the ACC by bringing in more of the south Fla and Carolina TV markets. I think the St. Louis market played a huge role in the sec going after Mizzou. Looking at it that way, VT would work as well due to the Va/ DC/ Beltway market.
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The SEC already has the most valuable assets in those TV markets.
 
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