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#52
#52
So now it is joe q citizen who is responsible for the failure of government?

Try holding the pukes responsible.......
 
#53
#53
joevol320 said:
even so, we should never complain. but since you asked, i am better off than i was 8 years
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I didn't ask.

The idea that we should never complain is an absurd one. Understand that all complaining is on a relative basis and not necessarily relative to the worst things in the world.

We complain about Fulmer while there are programs with clearly worse coaches (where, I don't know). Does that mean we should stop complaining or asking for a better situation?

Complacency is a spot filled with losers.
 
#54
#54
BigPapaVol said:
I didn't ask.

The idea that we should never complain is an absurd one. Understand that all complaining is on a relative basis and not necessarily relative to the worst things in the world.

We complain about Fulmer while there are programs with clearly worse coaches (where, I don't know). Does that mean we should stop complaining or asking for a better situation?

Complacency is a spot filled with losers.
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amen.

and, dare I say it, it's patriotic to complain and demand something better, regardless of your political bent.
 
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#58
BigPapaVol said:
I can't take you agreeing with me. I feel all icky from the liberal slime. I'm more comfortable being a grumpy contrarian. So, I'll just make up some lies and put words in your mouth that I can disagree vehemently with and try to paint you as something you're not.
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fyp.
 
#60
#60
BigPapaVol said:
which post. This one was so far from anything I said, that I can't make out what in the hell you're talking about.

If you're talking about my Biden jab, get over it. 'Twas a joke.
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"you've lost your mind."

that one.

i was as confused by your joke as you were with my fyp.
 
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truefan said:
Yes, I am better now than I was in 2000, not just financially, but in many ways. There are certain circumstances in our lives which can only be controlled by ourselves and the POTUS has no bearing on it. EVER

Is our nation better??? Not even close, and that is what we should be asking ourselves. America has now, more than ever, become a "ME" society and no matter what any of you say, just because you are better off now doesn't mean things are fine. I will stop there
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Sadly this will get worse and worse with every generation. In my grandfathers time the common man would take no charity, they would work for everything given them. It seems like many in this generation are all about what they can get for nothing. Do you not think this is made even more problematic because of the many entitlements we offer?
 
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TennNC said:
This is also an unfair value judgment.

The orientation of conservatism is on the individual as an individual. Don't rely on anyone else.

The orientation of liberalism is on the individual as part of a wider community. What you do for yourself should be weighed against what effect it has on society at large.

Both are perfect in theory. And both are extremely flawed in context of human nature.

The pitfall of conservatism is selfishness and greed - all I have to do is accumulate for myself, and not worry about anyone else.

The pitfall of liberalism is laziness and apathy - I don't need to work b/c someone else will take care of me.

Both extremes are fallacies. Society only works when everyone has an opportunity to pitch in. Some are ALWAYS going to be better off than others. That's human nature. And trying to "even it out" is a silly pursuit, and we've seen it fail.

However, when people aren't given an opportunity to pitch in to the best of their ability, then we all lose in the end.

Equality of opportunity is what it boils down to.
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If I remember correctly conservatives donate to charity at a much higher rate than their liberal counterparts. I understand your point but find that fallacy seems to be dwarfed in comparison to those who believe someone else should take care of them.

Given the situation as it is now it appears we need many more conservatives to offset those who want others to take care of them.
 
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truefan said:
Is our nation better??? Not even close, and that is what we should be asking ourselves. America has now, more than ever, become a "ME" society and no matter what any of you say, just because you are better off now doesn't mean things are fine. I will stop there
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I doubt all of this. I bet Americans give a greater percentage of their time and money to charitable organizations than do citizens of any other country.
 
#65
#65
KB5252 said:
If I remember correctly conservatives donate to charity at a much higher rate than their liberal counterparts. I understand your point but find that fallacy seems to be dwarfed in comparison to those who believe someone else should take care of them.

Given the situation as it is now it appears we need many more conservatives to offset those who want others to take care of them.
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you missed the point of the post.

the orientation of viewing liberals as lazy moochers is as fallacious as viewing conservatives as greedy pigs.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
that was the Biden jab. Surely you remember his idiotic statement about patriotism and paying more taxes.
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yes I do, but this was not some of your better work, BPV.

Perhaps there was a good joke there somewhere, but the delivery didn't translate.
 
#67
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TennNC said:
yes I do, but this was not some of your better work, BPV.

Perhaps there was a good joke there somewhere, but the delivery didn't translate.
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I didn't say it was good, but relative to your fyp, it was Dennis Miller good.
 
#68
#68
allvol123 said:
..you were the day Bush took office? I am. That said, I do not credit or blame the POTUS for my personal successes or lack thereof. But do realize that the decisions and philisophies made by the man in that office will trickle down and affect me on some level. If that is so, and he is so bad, then why I am doing better than I was 8 years ago? What about you?
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I don't want to read the entire thread, so I'll respond to the OP. ( what a concept, eh?)

I am better off in nearly every aspect of personal and economic life.

The day he took office I was working to a temp service on my way to making a whopping 20k and driving an 89 Ford escort with no seatbelts. This year, I'll gross about 52k and I'm driving a 2005 Chrysler minivan. I'm by no means rolling in cash and I don't have much of a rainy day fund, but my job is stable, my health is good and I have a great family.
 
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KB5252 said:
Sadly this will get worse and worse with every generation. In my grandfathers time the common man would take no charity, they would work for everything given them. It seems like many in this generation are all about what they can get for nothing. Do you not think this is made even more problematic because of the many entitlements we offer?
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one other thing about our grandfather's generation, they didn't go out and buy everything on credit or spent beyond their means. they were very frugal. they might not have made a lot of money, they saved a great deal. their priorities were their family they didn't worry about the next new invention or fad.
 
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KB5252 said:
Sadly this will get worse and worse with every generation. In my grandfathers time the common man would take no charity, they would work for everything given them. It seems like many in this generation are all about what they can get for nothing. Do you not think this is made even more problematic because of the many entitlements we offer?
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Few in this generation know what hard work is.
 
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TennNC said:
it was a verbose, cryptic rant with references to no fewer than 7 dozen historical figures and eras?
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it was one line with no names in it. you'd serve yourself better by removing your head from places where oxygen deprivation is a certainty.
 
#75
#75
TennNC said:
Dennis Miller is so good that he went from SNL and MNF to getting a show canceled after a month on the hugely popular "Versus" to having a radio show on Westwood One.
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As Jon Stewart once said to Dennis Miller: "You ever think you might've bet on the wrong horse?"
 
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