Arizona Election Audit

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It will be interesting to see how AG Mark Brnovich handles this. Let's hope he doesn't drag this out for the full 30 days.

 
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clarksvol00 said:
Voting and Registration in the Election of November 2020

You beat me to it.
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Everywhere I go people are posting fake information. Both sides of every argument is covered in Facebook ********. It’s just getting so old.

This audit needs to play out and be peer reviewed. Just like the Russian investigation both sides of the debate are chumming the water with information that they either know is false or they can’t possibly know.




I should probably add nothing is going to happen……
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Everywhere I go people are posting fake information. Both sides of every argument is covered in Facebook ********. It’s just getting so old.

This audit needs to play out and be peer reviewed. Just like the Russian investigation both sides of the debate are chumming the water with information that they either know is false or they can’t possibly know.




I should probably add nothing is going to happen……
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I agree there is a lot of BS out there. You and I probably differ on the AZ audit because I don't see this audit company as legitimate, and I think there isn't a mechanism for a third party to peer review unless the AZ senate authorizes an audit of their hand-picked auditors.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
I agree there is a lot of BS out there. You and I probably differ on the AZ audit because I don't see this audit company as legitimate, and I think there isn't a mechanism for a third party to peer review unless the AZ senate authorizes an audit of their hand-picked auditors.
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It’s not like they have a choice of who reviews it. You release the results and then other people read it and confirm or discredit it.

just like the Russian investigation.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
My understanding is that the AZ senate picked Cyber Ninja.
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What exactly is the problem? It seems there are two other firms working with them - if I remember correctly. If one specializes in typical auditing functions and one in computing, that seems like a smart process. Pretty much anybody should be able to count ballots, but a mix of technology and accounting people make more sense. If the name seems offensive and flippant to you, I don't blame you, I feel the same, but neither of us knows the quality of their work or their exact scope in this audit. On the other part your side has been raving all along that states are responsible for elections, so I don't see the problem with the AZ senate setting up an auditing contract.
 
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AM64 said:
What exactly is the problem? It seems there are two other firms working with them - if I remember correctly. If one specializes in typical auditing functions and one in computing, that seems like a smart process. Pretty much anybody should be able to count ballots, but a mix of technology and accounting people make more sense. If the name seems offensive and flippant to you, I don't blame you, I feel the same, but neither of us knows the quality of their work or their exact scope in this audit. On the other part your side has been raving all along that states are responsible for elections, so I don't see the problem with the AZ senate setting up an auditing contract.
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There are 2 major problems with the selection of "Cyber Ninjas" as an auditor of the 2020 Presidential Election results in Maricopa County, Arizona, and you should already know what they are. They have been described in specific details, and thoroughly discussed in this thread over the course of the last 3 months. Here they are again:

#1. Back in December, the Founder and CEO of "Cyber Ninjas", Doug Logan, publicly announced his conclusive determination that the 2020 Presidential Election had been "rigged", and therefore, the certified results were illegitimate. Doug Logan even stated his specific belief that fraudulent votes counted in Maricopa County had altered the true outcome in the state of Arizona. This conclusion of Logan's was obviously reached well before his own firm's audit had even started, or for that matter, before they had even been hired. That is unprofessional, and it points directly to an overt bias on the part of Logan. What makes it even worse, is that Republican members of the Republican-controlled State Legislature in Arizona re-tweeted Logan's claims at the time he made them. That makes their decision to hire Doug Logan's company later on, appear as though State Senate Republicans in Arizona were not only well aware of Doug Logan's bias ahead of his company's hiring, but Doug Logan's pro-Trump bias was the whole reason behind the hiring of his company in the first place. Someone with a pro-Trump bias was exactly who Republicans wanted conducting the audit in Maricopa County. Republicans in the Arizona State Legislature are not trying to get at the truth. They just want a company (such as the "Cyber Ninjas") to give the pretense of having conducted a comprehensive audit, and then report what Doug Logan has already publicly stated himself, which is that the Presidential Election results in Maricopa County were a sham, and that Donald Trump was the true winner of the state of Arizona - this is where Logan's "Cyber Ninjas" come into play.


#2. Doug Logan was a Trump Campaign donor. He donated money to both of Donald Trump's Presidential Election Campaigns in 2016 and 2020. Doug Logan also has ties to a 2020 Trump Campaign attorney named Sidney Powell. It was Sidney Powell's web site where Doug Logan posted his allegations that the 2020 Presidential Election had been "rigged", and that Joe Biden had only won Arizona because of "massive voter fraud" in Maricopa County. Doug Logan also alleged, on Sidney Powell's web site, that election machines outsourced from Dominion Voting Systems had changed votes from Donald Trump to Joe Biden. That is one of the allegations which Sidney Powell is currently being sued for by Dominion Voting Systems. Doug Logan's status as a Trump donor, along with his ties to Sidney Powell and to the Dominion Voting Systems' law suit against Powell, combine to reveal a clear conflict of interest evident with Logan if he is participating in any role performed by a company who is auditing the 2020 Presidential Election tabulations in Maricopa County, Arizona.

An auditor should be independent and objective. Doug Logan is neither.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
My understanding is that the AZ senate picked Cyber Ninja.
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Yes, they did... and they did so while they were well aware of Doug Logan's overt pro-Trump bias, and of the conflicts of interest that the hiring of his company would bring to an audit of the Presidential Election voting tabulations in Maricopa County, Arizona. If they wanted this "audit" to be a fact-finding mission, which would be taken seriously by more than just ardent Trump supporters, then they would have hired someone else (and literally anyone else would have been better than the "Cyber Ninjas"). The agenda of Arizona Republicans has nothing to do with uncovering actual fraud. This is a political fundraising exercise... and they get to kiss the feet of dear leader, while they are at it.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
My concern is that the ninjas will issue a report which can be reviewed, but there won't be a way to review any of the data they claim supports their conclusions.
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Why do you care what their conclusions are? They're not changing the results of the election and not changing any minds. Those that believe the election was stolen will continue that belief and those that believe it was legitimate won't be swayed either.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
My concern is that the ninjas will issue a report which can be reviewed, but there won't be a way to review any of the data they claim supports their conclusions.
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Then it will be cast aside as irrelevant.
I’m f they are seeking truth then they will publish data. If they don’t publish data then the hard core believers will remain convinced and those on the fence will discard it.
I’m in the wait and see camp. It’s better than being on either side making claims they can’t possibly know to be fact.

Let’s see the results and let the chips fall where they may.
 
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hog88 said:
Why do you care what their conclusions are? They're not changing the results of the election and not changing any minds. Those that believe the election was stolen will continue that belief and those that believe it was legitimate won't be swayed either.
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Unless there is actual fraud which will lead to more secure elections. But you’re right that this election won’t change because the EC elected the president not a popular vote
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Unless there is actual fraud which will lead to more secure elections. But you’re right that this election won’t change because the EC elected the president not a popular vote
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If actual fraud is found it will be shouted down by the MSM/political establishment and anyone trying to pass legislation securing our elections will get labeled a racist.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
I agree there is a lot of BS out there. You and I probably differ on the AZ audit because I don't see this audit company as legitimate, and I think there isn't a mechanism for a third party to peer review unless the AZ senate authorizes an audit of their hand-picked auditors.
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Did you view the Russian hoax investigation as legitimate? Do you view the Dems in congress that pushed that scam as objective? Did you view the dems that tried to destroy a good man with some made up bullshat to attempt and derail his appointment to the supreme court as legitimate? Just curious as to what BS passes muster for you.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Did you view the Russian hoax investigation as legitimate? Do you view the Dems in congress that pushed that scam as objective? Did you view the dems that tried to destroy a good man with some made up bullshat to attempt and derail his appointment to the supreme court as legitimate? Just curious as to what BS passes muster for you.
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There is no debating people like you. Feel sorry for people who fall in to the trap.
 
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The audits that were performed on the behalf of the County were not full forensic audits. The “audits” were extremely limited in scope.

  1. Source Code Tests only tested 20% of Election Day Tabulators and 40% of Adjudication Stations. Pro V&V and SLI Compliance found that all software and equipment inspected was using certified software and was not modified.
  2. Malicious Software and Hardware Tests only tested 20% of Election Day Tabulators and 40% of Adjudication Stations. Pro V&V and SLI Compliance found no instances of malicious software or hardware installed on the tabulators or system.
  3. Network Connectivity Tests found no evidence of internet connectivity.
  4. Accuracy Tests found no evidence of vote switching and concluded that the equipment tabulated and adjudicated ballots accurately.
These audits were a joke. The County says that they forensically examined this equipment but did they really?

The Arizona Senate’s full forensic audit aims to examine everything that the County frauditors failed to look at including all 2.1 million ballots. We are expecting the final report to show a difference in the certified total and the actual total.

The auditors only looked at a fraction of the machines and adjudication stations and after a closer look, more questions need to be answered
 
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