Arizona Election Audit

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This "ninja" audit is like a football team trying to score after the game is over and the lights are out.
 
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tnmarktx said:
So if you don't believe the count from the audit which is the same as the election count, one can only assume that you believe the AZ election was fraudulent.
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I never had any reason to believe the AZ election count was fraudulent. I chose to put no stock in anything the ninjas said and it would be hypocritical of me to say I trust them now that they agree with me. That doesn't change the fact that I never thought the election was fraudulent to start with.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
I never had any reason to believe the AZ election count was fraudulent. I chose to put no stock in anything the ninjas said and it would be hypocritical of me to say I trust them now that they agree with me. That doesn't change the fact that I never thought the election was fraudulent to start with.
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So you actually do believe the count that the audit produced is correct? It's a simple question, the counting of the ballots from the audit matches the count from the election. Do you believe that portion of the audit? It can be answered by a simple yes or no.
 
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tnmarktx said:
So you actually do believe the count that the audit produced is correct? It's a simple question, the counting of the ballots from the audit matches the count from the election. Do you believe that portion of the audit? It can be answered by a simple yes or no.
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I already answered your question twice now. I dont have to believe they were right or wrong. It doesn't change the fact that I believe there wasn't fraud to begin with and I don't trust the ninjas.
BTW the reports are that the Ninjas did not come back with the same count as the election commission.
 
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tnmarktx said:

For all you lazy folks that wouldn't go to the previous page. Here are the receipts from the leaked portion of the report.
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Do you have a link to the leaked report...?
Also the ballots counted show the same numbers, they should..issue is whether the ballots are fraudulent not that they exist..i noticed everyone reporting the count not wether they are legit..
 
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Ooh, binary choice steering!

In a complex or multifaceted situation, forcing the respondent to choose only from X or Y, Yes or No, True or False, allows the person asking the questions to steer the respondent down a path that requires them to accept an unacceptable premise or be seen as disingenuous as the respondent attempts to recontextualize the arbitrarily limited choices.

/popcorn
 
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clarksvol00 said:
BTW the reports are that the Ninjas did not come back with the same count as the election commission.
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Sure it did, within the margin of error with the number of ballots. You still refuse to answer the question. I'll state it one more time. The counts from the audit and election are the same, is that part of the audit factual?
 
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tnmarktx said:
He's welcome to answer as well, there's no multiple answer. Regardless of fraudulent ballots, the count was the same as the count from the election. Is that part of the audit valid? It's a simple question.
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Why do you care so much about trying to get me to say I trust the findings of people I dont trust? I dont have to put any stock in what they say whether it agrees with my opinion or not. If I were to say yes or no, it doesn't change the fact that I thought the election was valid to start with.
 
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AshG said:
Ooh, binary choice steering!

In a complex or multifaceted situation, forcing the respondent to choose only from X or Y, Yes or No, True or False, allows the person asking the questions to steer the respondent down a path that requires them to accept an unacceptable premise or be seen as disingenuous as the respondent attempts to recontextualize the arbitrarily limited choices.

/popcorn
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A deflection because one's chosen media has cherry picked a portion of a leaked audit report and produced fake news. Wipe the egg of your faces and answer a simple question. After months and months of decrying an election audit that was setup by the AZ state legislature that has the constitutional authority to do so. Do you guys believe the portion of the audit that agrees with the election count or not?
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Why do you care so much about trying to get me to say I trust the findings of people I dont trust? I dont have to put any stock in what they say whether it agrees with my opinion or not. If I were to say yes or no, it doesn't change the fact that I thought the election was valid to start with.
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Why take a victory lap when your chosen media duped you that the report found nothing, which is false?
 
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tnmarktx said:
A deflection because one's chosen media has cherry picked a portion of a leaked audit report and produced fake news. Wipe the egg of your faces and answer a simple question. After months and months of decrying an election audit that was setup by the AZ state legislature that has the constitutional authority to do so. Do you guys believe the portion of the audit that agrees with the election count or not?
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You're frustrated and making assumptions. Our refusal to participate in your thought experiment does not mean that we have or have not accepted a specific premise or believe one media outlet over another.

Our refusal to participate does not provide you with permission to make an assumption on our behalf.
 
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AshG said:
You're frustrated and making assumptions. Our refusal to participate in your thought experiment does not mean that we have or have not accepted a specific premise or believe one media outlet over another.
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Wrong, the leaked report produced the results I expected. In a pool of ballots with some fraudulent, the count was the same. In an election where the margin of victory is 10k, the report found 50k+ to be fraudulent. That's from the leaked portion of the report. I'm not frustrated the slightest. Those that claimed fraud should feel vindicated. On to the other audits.
 
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tnmarktx said:

This is from the leaked portion of the report. Is this true as well? If so, then a race that was allegedly won by 10k votes should definitely be looked at for decertification.
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What does this tell us? How many were inspected? It says nothing about the conclusions of those inspections.
 
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SlingBlayde said:
What if Section 6.2 posted above is not all the findings? Trump put out a statement implying that the full report has more evidence than the leaked version. We'll all find out at 1pm AZ time.
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This is my view. Everybody needs to cool their jets and wait until the entire report comes out. There have been so few leaks throughout this process It almost feels like this was done intentionally for some reason. Was this leak just the bait to get all of mainstream media to be covering this today?? Like Tnmarktx said, there's plenty of fraud right there in the report that mainstream conveniently is just ignoring. Either way, I'm going to wait and see what the final report has to offer. I just hope and pray it's presented in a way that it is undeniable proof that there either was or there was not fraud. We don't need anything in the middle. All we want is the truth.
 
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