Arizona Election Audit

[ClearwaterVol]

Trump shares as much blame as any other president has. Obama blamed Bush for everything. It’s politics dude. Whenever a new president takes office they are always handed some kind of ****show. And to bolster their base, they always deflect the blame.

Trump, Obama, Bush, Biden. They are all essentially the same in that regard. They fail to own up to their screwups. That’s what our glorious two party system is. None buffoon after another passing blame. Every president we have had in modern history is trash. Our political system is trash. It’s just when a Democrat is president, Republicans trash him. When a Republican is president, the Democrats trash him.

Presidents of the USA don’t really care that much about the people in reality.

Also, where in your quote is Trump specifically blaming Obama? I didn’t see a Obama’s name mentioned.

"The Obama administration made a decision on testing that turned out to be very detrimental to what we're doing, and we undid that decision a few days ago so that the testing can take place in a much more accurate and rapid fashion"

He also said it was a grossly incompetent Obama that left behind a broken public health system which he fixed.

I can never think of a single instance of Trump issuing a mea culpa.

 

[DonjoVol]

Glad to hear you didn't embarrass yourself by voting for Marsha Blackburn

Hagerty was the one running in the last election. If Manny Sethi had gotten the nomination I probably would have voted for him. So one of the independent candidates got my vote.

I did vote for Blackburn. I was not going to vote for Bredesen. She was a much better option than him.

 

[Septic]

Yep, if Trump passed the buck he should not have. The only break I would give a sitting president is for issues that they truly inherit. Like having to deal with something after a few weeks in office rather than months or years.

Are you able to ever answer a question without hedging?

He literally quoted the guy (passing the buck) and you still can't even bring your self to criticize Donny without a qualifier.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

Hagerty was the one running in the last election. If Manny Sethi had gotten the nomination I probably would have voted for him. So one of the independent candidates got my vote.

I did vote for Blackburn. I was not going to vote for Bredesen. She was a much better option than him.

Bredesen was a successful moderate governor. Blackburn isn't in his league. She couldn't run on her record so her entire campaign was attack on nothing more than "he'll be a pawn for Schumer". Her debate performances were pathetic and embarrassing

 

[bamawriter]

Bredesen was a successful moderate governor. Blackburn isn't in his league. She couldn't run on her record so her entire campaign was attack on nothing more than "he'll be a pawn for Schumer". Her debate performances were pathetic and embarrassing

I really didn't want to vote for Blackburn. I was going to vote for Bredesen, but then the Kavanaugh smear disgrace happened. I held my nose and voted for Blackburn because I thought it was important that Chuck Schumer not become majority leader. But, Trump and company worked overtime to make sure it happened anyway.

 

[DonjoVol]

Bredesen was a successful moderate governor. Blackburn isn't in his league. She couldn't run on her record so her entire campaign was attack on nothing more than "he'll be a pawn for Schumer". Her debate performances were pathetic and embarrassing

He had no choice but to be moderate when he governed with a Republican legislature and senate. As for his senate campaign he was too busy rubbing elbows with Mike Bloomberg in NYC. He should have been here campaigning. The democrat party was no longer moderate at that time. If he was independent like he claimed then he should have ran as one.

This was also around the time democrats were embarrassing themselves with Kavanaugh.

As for my vote for Blackburn. Democrats claimed then that they were the party of women, that we needed more women in politics, and that we needed less old white men in politics. So I was simply helping them out. They should be pleased with my vote.

 

[hog88]

Bredesen was a successful moderate governor. Blackburn isn't in his league. She couldn't run on her record so her entire campaign was attack on nothing more than "he'll be a pawn for Schumer". Her debate performances were pathetic and embarrassing

Bredesen wasn't a bad governor at all but he would have just been a rubber stamp for Schumer had he been elected to the senate.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

He had no choice but to be moderate when he governed with a Republican legislature and senate. As for his senate campaign he was too busy rubbing elbows with Mike Bloomberg in NYC. He should have been here campaigning. The democrat party was no longer moderate at that time. If he was independent like he claimed then he should have ran as one.

This was also around the time democrats were embarrassing themselves with Kavanaugh.

As for my vote for Blackburn. Democrats claimed then that they were the party of women, that we needed more women in politics, and that we needed less old white men in politics. So I was simply helping them out. They should be pleased with my vote.

No, he's a true centrist, but I see you can't help yourself with the silly unfounded qualifiers.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

Bredesen wasn't a bad governor at all but he would have just been a rubber stamp for Schumer had he been elected to the senate.

Your opinion. Blackburn sure has proven to be a McConnell puppet and even worse, a Trumpette

 

[DonjoVol]

No, he's a true centrist, but I see you can't help yourself with the silly unfounded qualifiers.

He's a centrist but he allowed Bloomberg to hold a fundraiser for him?

One point I was making was that he claimed he was truly an independent running as a Democrat. If that was the case then why not just run as an independent?

Now. I give him some credit. He did an interview with MSNBC before that election was held. In it I believe he even claimed that the democrat party was no longer the party of the working class. He seemed disappointed but at least he was honest.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

He's a centrist but he allowed Bloomberg to hold a fundraiser for him?

One point I was making was that he claimed he was truly an independent running as a Democrat. If that was the case then why not just run as an independent?

Now. I give him some credit. He did an interview with MSNBC before that election was held. In it I believe he even claimed that the democrat party was no longer the party of the working class. He seemed disappointed but at least he was honest.

How many people get elected to the Senate running as an independent? He's pro-business and a supporter of the 2nd amendment. If ever there was a Democrat that could garner a sizable portion of the Republican vote, it's Bredesen. Tennessee has gone full bore, right wing red in the last decade or so. There was a time when it was centered ideologically. Still an extremely livable environment

 

[mrMet]

How many people get elected to the Senate running as an independent? He's pro-business and a supporter of the 2nd amendment. If ever there was a Democrat that could garner a sizable portion of the Republican vote, it's Bredesen. Tennessee has gone full bore, right wing red in the last decade or so. There was a time when it was centered ideologically. Still an extremely livable environment

Sadly, when one side starts going full radical (the left), it pushes more center right people, farther right. That’s part of the political game. Bigger divide, more control

 

[Franklin Pierce]

 

[hog88]

Your opinion. Blackburn sure has proven to be a McConnell puppet and even worse, a Trumpette

No argument from me on Blackburn, didn't vote for that twit. But Bredesen would have been worse.

 

[DonjoVol]

How many people get elected to the Senate running as an independent? He's pro-business and a supporter of the 2nd amendment. If ever there was a Democrat that could garner a sizable portion of the Republican vote, it's Bredesen. Tennessee has gone full bore, right wing red in the last decade or so. There was a time when it was centered ideologically. Still an extremely livable environment

Right wing red? How so? If it's gone that far to the right when why don't democrats from here move to New York or California? Instead you see democrats from those states move here. And why is that? Because like you said it's extremely livable.

These right wing boogeymen exist mainly in people's imaginations.

 

[DonjoVol]

No, he's a true centrist, but I see you can't help yourself with the silly unfounded qualifiers.

By the way. Blackburn was the first woman to be elected to the U.S. Senate for the great state of Tennessee. What an amazing accomplishment! Wouldn't you agree?

 

[USAFgolferVol]

No argument from me on Blackburn, didn't vote for that twit. But Bredesen would have been worse.

No. Infinitely better

 

[USAFgolferVol]

Right wing red? How so? If it's gone that far to the right when why don't democrats from here move to New York or California? Instead you see democrats from those states move here. And why is that? Because like you said it's extremely livable.

These right wing boogeymen exist mainly in people's imaginations.

Had too many personal experiences around them. We'll disagree but the "boogeman" reference is your silly exaggeration. Not mine

 

[USAFgolferVol]

By the way. Blackburn was the first woman to be elected to the U.S. Senate for the great state of Tennessee. What an amazing accomplishment! Wouldn't you agree?

No

 

[hog88]

No. Infinitely better

Sorry but Bredesen is almost as senile as Biden, he would have been a disaster and rubber stamp for Schumer.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

Sorry but Bredesen is almost as senile as Biden, he would have been a disaster and rubber stamp for Schumer.

When was the last time you spoke with him?

 

[DonjoVol]

Had too many personal experiences around them. We'll disagree but the "boogeman" reference is your silly exaggeration. Not mine

I've had too many experiences around some on the left. That's why I always say no two people ever have the exact same experience in life.

 

[DonjoVol]

Sorry but Bredesen is almost as senile as Biden, he would have been a disaster and rubber stamp for Schumer.

I'm not sure if anyone can be as senile as Biden. Just like I'm not sure if anyone can have the level of TDS that Joe Walsh does.

 

[hog88]

When was the last time you spoke with him?

I listened to him give a commencement speech 4 years ago and everyone was WTF is this guy saying. Maybe he was just drunk but I don't think he's much of a drinker.

 

[BowlBrother85]

My question is will anybody be prosecuted for deleting the files? Is anybody arguing that deleting election files is not a crime?

No, but multiple internet fact-checking sites are flatly stating that it didn't happen. This subject has been addressed on here before. You are speaking about this as though it has become an established fact .... when it hasn't.

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THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

www.apnews.com

Election Data in Arizona's Largest County Was Not Purged

By Jude Joffe-Block / September 25, 2021

THE CLAIM :

Arizona's Maricopa County purged the machine records from the 2020 election the day before an outside review of the vote started.

THE AP'S ASSESSMENT : FALSE

Maricopa County election officials confirmed they archived and retained all data from the November election. County election officials moved November 2020 election data off a server and onto backup drives as part of its preparation for an official audit the county commissioned in February 2021.

THE FACTS :

During a Friday hearing, a group hired by the Arizona Senate (the "Cyber Ninjas") presented the findings of a six-month election review that experts said was riddled with errors, bias and flawed methodology.

Among the misleading claims was the accusation that Maricopa County election officials had deleted election data in February from the election management system database, known as EMS, right before a county commissioned audit was set to begin.

The claim from the hearing echoed online, where it slightly morphed. "Maricopa County purged the machine records the day before the audit started," reads one popular tweet.

Some social media users appear to have understood the claim's mention of an "audit" to refer to the partisan review conducted by private firms hired by the Republican-led Arizona Senate (including the "Cyber Ninjas") -- when in fact the original allegation made in the hearing was that data had been deleted ahead of a different, official audit the county had commissioned in February.

But regardless of the timeline of the allegation, in fact, no data is missing.

"Everything that happened in the November election is backed up and archived," Maricopa County Elections Department spokesperson Megan Gilbertson told The Associated Press.

In a statement on Twitter, Maricopa County pointed out the data in question was moved and archived because there is not space for it to be stored on the server indefinitely.

"Servers have space limitations," reads a tweet from the county. "Files are not deleted; they are archived. The Senate never subpoenaed our EMS archives."

The county hired a federally-certified auditing firm (SLI Compliance) to perform an independent audit of the tabulation equipment in early February.

Gilbertson told the AP the data on the server was moved and archived ahead of that review because "that is when the server needed to be ready so the certifiers could test for accuracy."

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This marks at least the 3rd time that I have brought this to your attention, and yet you still treat this false claim as though it is an established fact, from which you can speculate as to what the punishment for those responsible should be.

This is an example of how the lack of election experience was a problem for Doug Logan's "Cyber Ninjas". They could have had the Republican-controlled Arizona State Senate (who commissioned their audit) subpoena the EMS archives, and then obtained this data from the Maricopa County Elections Department.

Apparently, the "Cyber Ninjas" never considered the possibility that this data they were looking for had been moved to backup drives and archived, in preparation for the SLI Compliance audit in February, due to space limitations on the server. As a result of their own ignorance, from a lack of experience, they didn't know that they needed the Arizona State Senate to subpoena the Maricopa County Elections Department for this archived data. Instead, they just leaped to a false and rather foolish assumption that election files had been deleted by Maricopa County election officials. A more professional and experienced firm, would have definitely known better.