Arizona Election Audit

[BreatheUT]

Haha yeah ok whatever. You probably still think CNN is a reliable new source

The guy admitted to recently watching MSNBC one morning (I'm sure he is all in on BSNBC and CNN) and they put out a false claim and he used it. Then admitted he was droning MSNBC. Talk about a delusional hypocrite.

 

[luthervol]

You have admitted there is fraud, as an absolute statement. 2020 likely being no exception. So the issue seems to be one of degrees.

I guess the question is, does the Russia crowd believe Trump won in 2016 because of Russian influence?

It is all about degrees.

 

[NCFisher]

A sanction is either officially or formally confirmed. You were trying to use the example of "public opinion" and in doing so, you misused a word. You are very inarticulate, and do that quite a bit I've noticed.

Even when you're shown to be FOS, playing your own dictionary game, you ignore that not fitting your narrative. You don't appear to even understand the word 'formal'.

There were at least four definitions that are not relegated to government or legal domain, which I highlighted.

From Cambridge:
approval or permission, especially formal or legal:
They tried to get official sanction for the plans
See? 'especially formally or legal but not limited to that confine. Try this:

approval or permission:
To be just, a government must have the sanction of the governed.
See? The people must sanction - approve or accept - their government for it to have validity. In this case, they must accept that election results are valid.
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Or from Collins
sanction in American English

1. the act of a recognized authority confirming or ratifying an action; authorized approval or permission
2. support; encouragement; approval
3. something that gives binding force to a law, or secures obedience to it, as the penalty for breaking it, or a reward for carrying it out
4. something, as a moral principle or influence, that makes a rule of conduct, a law, etc. binding
5. a coercive measure, as a blockade of shipping, usually taken by several nations together, for forcing a nation considered to have violated international law to end the violation
b. a coercive measure, as a boycott, taken by a group to enforce demands often used in pl.
6. Obsolete a formal decree; law

VERB TRANSITIVE
7. to give sanction to; specif.,
a. to ratify or confirm
b. to authorize or permit; countenance

Exorcise (or exercise, or excise) the demons of your limited vocabulary elsewhere, you perpetually cherry-picking, rat-turd of an intellect.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Even when you're shown to be FOS, playing your own dictionary game, you ignore that not fitting your narrative. You don't appear to even understand the word 'formal'.

There were at least four definitions that are not relegated to government or legal domain, which I highlighted.

From Cambridge:
approval or permission, especially formal or legal:
They tried to get official sanction for the plans
See? 'especially formally or legal but not limited to that confine. Try this:

approval or permission:
To be just, a government must have the sanction of the governed.
See? The people must sanction - approve or accept - their government for it to have validity. In this case, they must accept that election results are valid.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Or from Collins
sanction in American English

1. the act of a recognized authority confirming or ratifying an action; authorized approval or permission
2. support; encouragement; approval
3. something that gives binding force to a law, or secures obedience to it, as the penalty for breaking it, or a reward for carrying it out
4. something, as a moral principle or influence, that makes a rule of conduct, a law, etc. binding
5. a coercive measure, as a blockade of shipping, usually taken by several nations together, for forcing a nation considered to have violated international law to end the violation
b. a coercive measure, as a boycott, taken by a group to enforce demands often used in pl.
6. Obsolete a formal decree; law

VERB TRANSITIVE
7. to give sanction to; specif.,
a. to ratify or confirm
b. to authorize or permit; countenance

Exorcise (or exercise, or excise) the demons of your limited vocabulary elsewhere, you perpetually cherry-picking, rat-turd of an intellect.

Responses like this are usually more indicative of your personality traits, intelligence etc than that of the person to whom they are directed.

 

[VolinWayne]

It was my understanding that those were guesses as to what this partisan hackery was trying to accomplish.

That is not a guess.. It's been explained multiple times by Mr. Pulitzer who is the inventor that came up with this method.

 

[VolinWayne]

You buy into every conspiracy theory out there don't you.

Absolutely not

 

[VolinWayne]

Couldn't that be said about these people doing the audit?

You can certainly say that if that is your opinion. My thing is if there is no fraud, there should be nothing at all for the opposition to fear.
Truth be told, this is how all audits should be run. There are cameras everywhere livestreaming every move.

 

[NCFisher]

2 False Pretenses under which the January 6, 2021 rally in Washington D.C. was planned and organized were:

(1) Donald Trump had told his supporters via Twitter, that as of that day (January 6, 2021), it was still possible within the framework of the United States Constitution to overturn the results of the 2020 Presidential Election in his favor. It wasn't still possible, however.

AND

(2) Donald Trump had also told his supporters via Twitter, that his Vice President had the power to unilaterally disregard electoral college votes from states that he had been contesting. The VP has no such authority. Pence's role that day was merely one of ceremonial procedure. It was just a formality. Pence was just there to call the electoral college votes into roll ... nothing more; nothing less.

There is no rally in Washington D.C. on January 6, 2021 without these 2 lies told by Donald Trump throughout the month of December... and without that rally, there is no march to the U.S. Capitol and therefore, there is no riot.

1) Actually it likely was possible that Republican-controlled legislatures of 1/2 dozen battleground states could have chosen their own electors. In fact, in this same session in Jan 2017, numerous Democrats called for the rejection of various states' electors. Doh! goes Bowl....
2) He was simply wrong about that., but Trump could have staged a rally for a variety of reasons and they'd have shown up.

That aside, your cause and effect argument is your own wild conjecture.

Without Democratic Congress reps, governors, and mayors encouraging and covering for violent riots nationally, there'd have been fewer violent riots. Without folks like you electing these ****** people who undermine this country and spread the Marxofascist lie that police are killing black criminals because they're black, we wouldn't have a 96% increase in police deaths in 2020. We wouldn't have sustained, months-long attacks on federal and state structures and personnel, and upwards of $2B in damages. Without the left's false narrative of "systemic racism" - the left's term for a disproportionately dysfunctional percentage of our black populace - we'd not have national lawlessness & violence...and we wouldn't be having this same discussion 50 years from now because Dems convinced black America to remain on their plantation.

Or maybe, just maybe, if a small contingent of about 30-35 being charged with actual conspiracy has not shown up for the rally, there wouldn't have been a breach, and everyone would have complied with the call to "peacefully and patriotically make your voice heard".

Two can play your stupid game.

 

[utvolpj]

You can certainly say that if that is your opinion. My thing is if there is no fraud, there should be nothing at all for the opposition to fear.
Truth be told, this is how all audits should be run. There are cameras everywhere livestreaming every move.

They should be run by people who declare fraud absolutely occurred before even seeing a ballot? That's the same logic used to justify CRT

 

[NCFisher]

Responses like this are usually more indicative of your personality traits, intelligence etc than that of the person to whom they are directed.

I've given Bowl every opportunity to be civil, but he gets frustrated because he believes stupid things and I point them out. He always devolves into insult and name-calling and I'm more than happy to be merciless to such people.

You might mind your own business until you know the score.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

I've given Bowl every opportunity to be civil, but he gets frustrated because he believes stupid things and I point them out. He always devolves into insult and name-calling and I'm more than happy to be merciless to such people.

You might mind your own business until you know the score.

Be better. Don't sink to a level you find unacceptable in civil discourse. It takes away from any points you might have made with legitimate argument. You didn't come across as merciless or witty. All it did was make your actual argument ineffective.

 

[Orangeslice13]

You have admitted there is fraud, as an absolute statement. 2020 likely being no exception. So the issue seems to be one of degrees.

I guess the question is, does the Russia crowd believe Trump won in 2016 because of Russian influence?

Absolutely but there’s no way the social media lock down changed anything

 

[NCFisher]

Be better. Don't sink to a level you find unacceptable in civil discourse. It takes away from any points you might have made with legitimate argument. You didn't come across as merciless or witty. All it did was make your actual argument ineffective.

Good; I was going for direct, not 'witty'.

That only works in forum were civil discourse is enforced. Abusive people are not slowed by niceties but encouraged. RT85 is another example. Forums need people like you. And people like me. We'd all like to think a kind word and gesture can turn away coarseness and abuse but most often it means you're lunch; it's a fable.

If one magnifies the return of incivility beyond the broader point made, I can't tell them how to consume what they read.

 

[UT_VOLS13]

DeSantis signs Florida election bill limiting drop boxes, mail-in voting live on 'Fox & Friends'

 

[RockyTop85]

Good; I was going for direct, not 'witty'.

That only works in forum were civil discourse is enforced. Abusive people are not slowed by niceties but encouraged. RT85 is another example. Forums need people like you. And people like me. We'd all like to think a kind word and gesture can turn away coarseness and abuse but most often it means you're lunch; it's a fable.

If one magnifies the return of incivility beyond the broader point made, I can't tell them how to consume what they read.

Saying I’m not slowed by niceties is the opposite of correct. I respond in kind. People who are civil get civil responses.

Sometimes a poster’s history trumps their present demeanor.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Maricopa County Defies Subpoena, Won't Release Hardware For Election Audit Over 'Security Risk' | ZeroHedge

 

[RikidyBones]

They should be run by people who declare fraud absolutely occurred before even seeing a ballot? That's the same logic used to justify CRT

Fraud units always go into an audit assuming fraud. It's about finding it and supporting it. I don't have an issue because a part of the process is showing your work and source material. If it's sloppy then it benefits the one being audited.

 

[LouderVol]

Fraud units always go into an audit assuming fraud. It's about finding it and supporting it. I don't have an issue because a part of the process is showing your work and source material. If it's sloppy then it benefits the one being audited.

The process of what?

Had my taxes audited because they caught a discrepancy made by the state so they checked everything else.

Product auditing is done in a random fashion until an issue is found, and then you do batch audits to isolate and then identify the source of the problem.

Everyday audits of the whole system, without some trigger, is not standard practice in any industry I have ever heard of.

This is at least the second audit on AZ right? Nothing found in the first. So what's the new justification for this second audit?

 

[NCFisher]

Saying I’m not slowed by niceties is the opposite of correct. I respond in kind. People who are civil get civil responses.

Sometimes a poster’s history trumps their present demeanor.

Our initial conversation paints differently. But I'll take this as a clean slate opportunity between us.

 

[RikidyBones]

The process of what?

Had my taxes audited because they caught a discrepancy made by the state so they checked everything else.

Product auditing is done in a random fashion until an issue is found, and then you do batch audits to isolate and then identify the source of the problem.

Everyday audits of the whole system, without some trigger, is not standard practice in any industry I have ever heard of.

This is at least the second audit on AZ right? Nothing found in the first. So what's the new justification for this second audit?

One of the purposes of any audit is to find abnormalities. That's the intent.

All audits don't cover the same ground. One audit, one could feel a simple p&l was reviewed, which isn't sufficient. Another audit firm comes in and finds out the contractor is including payments to a family member in a line item that was used to win a city bid. Come to find out, millions of dollars were earned based on that because a deeper dive was done. Or it could confirm everything is on the up and up. If an audit takes place, findings are presented. If those findings don't have support, then the findings are trash.

Point being, I'm going to wait until the findings come out, the information is public and a verification is attainable before I have an opinion on 1. What happened in this county and 2. The quality of the audit.

 

[utvolpj]

Fraud units always go into an audit assuming fraud. It's about finding it and supporting it. I don't have an issue because a part of the process is showing your work and source material. If it's sloppy then it benefits the one being audited.

Except this isn't a professional but rather political. The groups involved also have a vested interest in finding fraud

 

[RikidyBones]

Except this isn't a professional but rather political. The groups involved also have a vested interest in finding fraud

I have never seen an audit firm or unit not having a vested interest in finding fraud. That's the point of an audit. To verify and ensure there are no abnormalities. Fraud can have varying degrees of consequence. Could result in a higher bill or jail.

There could be just areas to simply correct or areas to review further by the one being audited to sure up their process. Depends on the industry, scale, etc. But the idea is that they will review under their process, present the findings and if it is not supported by sufficient back up of source material then throw it away and have it at on deeming them bias, unorganized, trash, etc.

 

[tnmarktx]

Another abuse of power of power from the Biden DOJ.

US Justice Department expresses 'concerns' over the GOP's Arizona election audit being conducted by Cyber Ninjas

 

[VolinWayne]

Another abuse of power of power from the Biden DOJ.

US Justice Department expresses 'concerns' over the GOP's Arizona election audit being conducted by Cyber Ninjas

DOJ needs to stay in their lane. This is what they should be investigating
Jack Maxey Unearths More Emails Showing Biden Crime Family Working With Chinese Communists...Now This Family Controls US Government - CD Media

 

[VolinWayne]

Maricopa County Defies Subpoena, Won't Release Hardware For Election Audit Over 'Security Risk' | ZeroHedge

The steps they have taken in hiding things and defieing the subpoenas screams that they are guilty and they know what they are hiding