Arkansas' Williams to transfer

#26
#26
Most telling to me is that Nutt was not even involved in the meeting, it appears. That shows you how much respect Broyles has for Nutt; and shows us who really runs that show.
 
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SCSmokey said:
Most telling to me is that Nutt was not even involved in the meeting, it appears. That shows you how much respect Broyles has for Nutt; and shows us who really runs that show.
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I might have missed something. I thought the parents met with Broyles, and then yesterday Nutt called a team meeting to settle it all..?
 
#28
#28
Signing a LOI to play cfb on scholarship is not tantamount to joining the army. If Arky is not going to provide whatever opportunities that these kids were guaranteed during recruiting then all of them deserve unconditional releases and the NCAA needs to change its rules so they do not have to sit a year.
 
#29
#29
Agree with SCSmokey. This is meeting that Broyles should have never taken. He should have referred the parents to the coaching staff. The clean up meetings and hurt feelings then may not have had to occur.
 
#30
#30
I think Broyles took the meeting because this is a super-sensitive subject in Arkyland. If Mustain had signed elsewhere last year Nutt would've been fired. Whoever gets pegged as being responsible for losing him will, if that happens, will be in the hot seat. If you read the Arky boards their fans seems to believe that the Springdale players are more important to the continued resurgence of the Hogs than their current head coach.
 
#31
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I think Broyles took the meeting because this is a super-sensitive subject in Arkyland. If Mustain had signed elsewhere last year Nutt would've been fired. Whoever gets pegged as being responsible for losing him will, if that happens, will be in the hot seat. If you read the Arky boards their fans seems to believe that the Springdale players are more important to the continued resurgence of the Hogs than their current head coach.
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Surely they understand that McFadden and Jones are the two most important people in Arkansas right now.
 
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Lexvol said:
Surely they understand that McFadden and Jones are the two most important people in Arkansas right now.
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They definitely have the most pull in Arkansas since Bill Clinton and Jed Clampett.
 
#33
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Lexvol said:
Surely they understand that McFadden and Jones are the two most important people in Arkansas right now.
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I'd trade those two for the springdale trio anyday, and I'd throw in a punter and a waterboy for boot.:)
 
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Lexvol said:
Surely they understand that McFadden and Jones are the two most important people in Arkansas right now.
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these are kids that were the talk of the town in high school... they were the big studs. now they are nothing but a footnote... they are insignificant, and it bugs them. they are eating a nice big slice of humble pie, which they have never had to do.


however, houston nutt lied to these kids. nutt knew that they wouldnt come to arkansas unless he brought their coach on board and claimed that he would have full control of the offense. so, nutt did this. but, nutt still holds the reins. he lied. he flat out lied right to their face without remorse. now, i don't blame him for running the offense like he does -- it works. but, nutt should never have told these kids the things he did.
 
#37
#37
Good football coaches are not not static, they are dynamic. I simply don't think that Nutt is a liar, anymore so than any other college recruiter.
 
#38
#38
Come on guys while we can all agree that the kids are not handling this the right way, let's not forget about a common problem of the big Div 1 coaches promising every recruit in the country the moon and then when they get there not delivering on that promise. The coaches always get a free pass on this kind of stuff since we like calling 18 and 19 year old "prima donnas"
 
#39
#39
Lexvol said:
Good football coaches are not not static, they are dynamic. I simply don't think that Nutt is a liar, anymore so than any other college recruiter.
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i agree. while springdale's system may benefit the receivers more, anyone, even if they are from arkansas, knows that you don't waste two dynamic backs while they are there. Mustain and co. will just have to be patient and if they show that they have "it", they'll get their shot at being stars. Like i posted on here before, Mustain had his chance and didn't put up great numbers so they went w/ Dick when he got healthy.
 
#40
#40
jaybird_1981 said:
Come on guys while we can all agree that the kids are not handling this the right way, let's not forget about a common problem of the big Div 1 coaches promising every recruit in the country the moon and then when they get there not delivering on that promise. The coaches always get a free pass on this kind of stuff since we like calling 18 and 19 year old "primadonnas"
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Special players win championships and earn their time. A player like McFadden comes to a respective school once every ten years, if you are lucky. You are correct, these guys should shut their mouth(s) and play football. If they don't want to play for Nutt, they should go somewhere else. Somewhere along the line they have lost sight of how special McFadden and Jones really are.
 
#41
#41
jaybird_1981 said:
Come on guys while we can all agree that the kids are not handling this the right way, let's not forget about a common problem of the big Div 1 coaches promising every recruit in the country the moon and then when they get there not delivering on that promise. The coaches always get a free pass on this kind of stuff since we like calling 18 and 19 year old "prima donnas"
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I totally agree with you. Another thing that irritates me about these situations is that you can have coaches run around and say anything they want to these kids to get them to sign and unless the school gives an unconditional release, which is seldom done for obvious reasons, the pplayer has to chose between staying in a bad situation or going to a lower division while the coach can move on to another job without any repercussions as long as his buyout is paid. I think that we are eventually going to see Letters Of Intent turn into negotiated contracts where both sides are represented.
 
#42
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I think Broyles took the meeting because this is a super-sensitive subject in Arkyland. If Mustain had signed elsewhere last year Nutt would've been fired. Whoever gets pegged as being responsible for losing him will, if that happens, will be in the hot seat. If you read the Arky boards their fans seems to believe that the Springdale players are more important to the continued resurgence of the Hogs than their current head coach.
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Broyles took the meeting because he's an egomaniacal dweeb. Nutt should immediately start looking for somewhere else to land, then leave Arkansas at the most inopportune possible moment. That would teach Broyles a lesson about interjecting himself into matters that should be handled by the coaches.
 
#43
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I totally agree with you. Another thing that irritates me about these situations is that you can have coaches run around and say anything they want to these kids to get them to sign and unless the school gives an unconditional release, which is seldom done for obvious reasons, the pplayer has to chose between staying in a bad situation or going to a lower division while the coach can move on to another job without any repercussions as long as his buyout is paid. I think that we are eventually going to see Letters Of Intent turn into negotiated contracts where both sides are represented.
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Do you really think Nutt did this on purpose? I tend to think he realizes he has McFadden and Jones right now and has to utilize his superstars while he has them. I can't imagine Nutt completely guaranteed them their shot as true freshmen to come in and take over no matter what. Once McFadden leaves next year, I'm sure they will open up the passing game and as long as the Srpingdale trio puts up their numbers, they will play.
 
#44
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hatvol96 said:
Broyles took the meeting because he's an egomaniacal dweeb. Nutt should immediately start looking for somewhere else to land, then leave Arkansas at the most inopportune possible moment. That would teach Broyles a lesson about interjecting himself into matters that should be handled by the coaches.
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I'm still not convinced that Nutt is that great of a coach. Pretty good recruiter though and that is half of the battle.
 
#45
#45
VolunteerHillbilly said:
I totally agree with you. Another thing that irritates me about these situations is that you can have coaches run around and say anything they want to these kids to get them to sign and unless the school gives an unconditional release, which is seldom done for obvious reasons, the pplayer has to chose between staying in a bad situation or going to a lower division while the coach can move on to another job without any repercussions as long as his buyout is paid. I think that we are eventually going to see Letters Of Intent turn into negotiated contracts where both sides are represented.
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Just one small point on this...
A coach gets a kid into practice who says he wants to play tight end. After some work it becomes clear the kid's not going to play at that spot, but would make a fine defensive end. The truth of the kids abilities relative to what the kid thinks he can do makes the coach a liar? Or is it the coach's fault for not knowing this before the kid even got into practice?
 
#46
#46
Nutt is showing weakness by not sending all the whiners out the door. If you let a bunch of crybabies and stage parents run your program, you deserve chaos. I'd make them someone else's headache.
 
#47
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hatvol96 said:
Nutt is showing weakness by not sending all the whiners out the door. If you let a bunch of crybabies and stage parents run your program, you deserve chaos. I'd make them someone else's headache.
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+5pts.

I usually shy away from your more radical posts, but this situation is beyond me completely...
 
#48
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orange+white=heaven said:
Just one small point on this...
A coach gets a kid into practice who says he wants to play tight end. After some work it becomes clear the kid's not going to play at that spot, but would make a fine defensive end. The truth of the kids abilities relative to what the kid thinks he can do makes the coach a liar? Or is it the coach's fault for not knowing this before the kid even got into practice?
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I am not saying the coach shouldn't call the shots. All I am advocating is that a player should not be penalized by archaic rules when the coach decides that the player is not suited to do whatever it was that the coach/staff told the player he'd be doing when he signed his LOI. If you are recruited as a DB but the DC decides you'd do more for the team by redshirting, hitting the chow line/weightroom and playing DE then you should have the opportunity to shop around for a program that will let you play DB if that's what you want to do and you should not be limited by having to move to an out of conference school or a lower division. :twocents:
 
#49
#49
VolunteerHillbilly said:
I am not saying the coach shouldn't call the shots. All I am advocating is that a player should not be penalized by archaic rules when the coach decides that the player is not suited to do whatever it was that the coach/staff told the player he'd be doing when he signed his LOI. If you are recruited as a DB but the DC decides you'd do more for the team by redshirting, hitting the chow line/weightroom and playing DE then you should have the opportunity to shop around for a program that will let you play DB if that's what you want to do and you should not be limited by having to move to an out of conference school or a lower division. :twocents:
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And that is a fair suggestion relative to the player. What is equitable for the team that has now watched a scholly walk away though? Another recruit can be signed the next year of course, but that kid represents an offer made the previous season that could have gone to someone else...

Not sure I'm communicating what I'm getting at properly, but there you go...
 
#50
#50
I understand what you are saying but I do not think the schools are completely innocent actors here. An AD or Univ. Pres. who employs a staff that would lie to a 17-18 year old kid to secure a commitment to play football doesn't exaclty have unclean hands in my book. What really needs to happen is full disclosure on the front end so all parties can make an informed choice.
 
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